Ever known a pilot that has going through drug/alcohol rehab?

[Rally]

Ever known a pilot that has going through drug/alcohol rehab? Curious how common this is in this industry. Did they get their medicals back? How long? Or just like like a phine on their medical apps.

 

[Fox-Tree]

I had a Captain paired w/ me at UAL 767 school. Showed up for a 5am sim blitzed. IP called him on it and they had it out. We still flew the sim, then the IP called ALPA. 10 hours later his blood test at the DEN medical center was still .12

He was removed from training and spent 2 years on sick/no pay status in the EAP program. Then he was back on the line.

The scary part was he flew the sim very well.

Hope that helps.

 

[Colonel Savage]

I had a Captain paired w/ me at UAL 767 school. Showed up for a 5am sim blitzed. IP called him on it and they had it out. We still flew the sim, then the IP called ALPA. 10 hours later his blood test at the DEN medical center was still .12

He was removed from training and spent 2 years on sick/no pay status in the EAP program. Then he was back on the line.

The scary part was he flew the sim very well.

Hope that helps.

Just curious...Why did the IP allow him to fly the sim while blitzed? Seems a bad call on the IP's part, since the Capt wasn't legal for regular duty, therefore not legal to train, as some airlines require.

 

[Soverytired]

Just curious...Why did the IP allow him to fly the sim while blitzed? Seems a bad call on the IP's part, since the Capt wasn't legal for regular duty, therefore not legal to train, as some airlines require.

I've always been told and trained that you have to show up for the sim exactly as if you're showing up for a shift.

And for ground school, for that matter. I think it has to do with the regulations surrounding the DOT random drug testing rules.

If you're at a scheduled event (training, shift, whatever), you're eligible to be drug and/or alcohol tested.

I agree though . . . would've been a better call to send him to professional standards or the CP office.

 

[Dave's kid]

I know a couple pilots that have gone through rehab. Neither one showed up for work under the influence (8 hours/.04). They both said they had a problem, took a medical leave of absence and spent some time not flying while they went through rehab. I think the entire process took about a year.

They were flying for a 121 carrier at the time. And after rehab they both advanced to a better 121 carrier and are still flying to this day. From what I've seen, as long as no regs are broken it isn't a career ender.

 

[Jmoney]

Rehab....

I know General Lee MUST be drunk every time he takes a seat in front of a keyboard. No rehab can fix his type of stupid....

What a chowder chugger!

 

[Fox-Tree]

Just curious...Why did the IP allow him to fly the sim while blitzed? Seems a bad call on the IP's part, since the Capt wasn't legal for regular duty, therefore not legal to train, as some airlines require.

Don't know about that. It's not a black and white issue when it's one person's opinion of intoxication against another's. I was just glad to finish the sim and check one more box for training. I think it was partly due to the fact that the IP couldn't "prove" it at the time. Once he got ALPA in the loop, they sent the pilot out to the medical center for a blood test.

Also, UAL's FOM didn't specify sim duty/training as restricted to their "12 hour rule". This was changed immediately after this incident. That may have been inherent in the current regs(not sure), but they spelled it out with no questions after this.

 

[Rally]

I had a Captain paired w/ me at UAL 767 school. Showed up for a 5am sim blitzed. IP called him on it and they had it out. We still flew the sim, then the IP called ALPA. 10 hours later his blood test at the DEN medical center was still .12

He was removed from training and spent 2 years on sick/no pay status in the EAP program. Then he was back on the line.

The scary part was he flew the sim very well.

Hope that helps.

He had to be at a .30 or so at the time of the sim holy moly. That is nuts.

 

[tomgoodman]

Help is available

This union/airline/FAA program has saved many careers, and probably many lives.

http://www.himsprogram.com/

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I agree with Tom. If you have any questions about hims, I worked with ALPA and the hims program. I strongly recommend it.
Also it is a good idea to discuss rehab with ALPA before you return to work. There are some legal issues associated with it.

 

[Ty Webb]

Wow . . . . hard to believe that anyone could actually show up at a Training Center in that kind of condition. Sounds like the IP did him a hell of a favor calling ALPA and not the Company.

It sounds like in the end, it worked out the way it was supposed to. . . . I have to wonder, though, if he showed uplike that in the Sim, how was he showing up on the Line . . .. ?

 

[waveflyer]

a favor?

It's a great thing that we look out for each other in this career-- even when our own judgment and attitudes are failing us. Maybe not most=- but so many good people will have some period of time in their career that is really rough- stemming from all kinds of issues be it divorce, medical/cancer/heart, etc, alcohol/drugs- life happens- and these programs have helped save the career of a whole lot of good people.

Be strong- it's not acceptable- but use the resources available and get people help.

 

[Lear70]

Ever known a pilot that has going through drug/alcohol rehab? Curious how common this is in this industry. Did they get their medicals back? How long? Or just like like a phine on their medical apps.

I didn't understand the last sentence at all.

I've known two who have been to rehab, one for alcohol, one for prescription pain meds (Hydrocodone).

Pilots have a relatively high incidence of substance abuse as compared to other professional fields, but not as high as attorneys and physicians. Many of them don't take anything at work, but are blitzed within minutes of leaving the aircraft, keep personal bottles/pills stashed in their bags, and often don't socialize with the crew because they know they're going to get hammered.

As far as information specific on returning to the line, it's a pretty in-depth process, especially if you go through your HIMS personnel. If you take yourself out of flying and go out on short-term disability while putting yourself through a rehab program, no one knows anything about it in most cases, but that's a mistake.

Like any substance abuse, you need help afterwards for reinforcement periodically, and that can only come from people who are trained to help if you want any real success.

As far as timelines go, I think each case is a little different, but I've heard anywhere from 30 days to 60 days after the initial "program" is done, with regular screenings along the way. The initial program can be 7 days to 3 months. It all depends on what's wrong and how bad the addiction is.

Remember, all HIMS contact is completely confidential. There is no "penalty" or "double-secret probation" for calling your HIMS program manager and asking these questions directly. They work for the union, not the company.

Intervening for a family member or friend is one of the hardest things you will ever do, and also one of the most rewarding if you're successful in assisting them to seek help.

Good luck!

 

[BLing]

Ive met a few that need to go to rehab...

 

[Rally]

Is this HIMS program just for airline pilots unions etc or just pilots in general? Wonder if someone is unemployed/furloughed or between airline jobs do they have to wait the two LOOOOONG years?