Furloughs at AA, you know they are coming

[DAL737FO]

I would say that a bigger reason that there will be no pilot furloughs at DAL is because they, meaning DAL management, need us to play nice because of the merger. They already have a large group of pilots pissed about it (NWA).

 

[Correcting]

There won't be furloughs at Delta, and not even the mention of furloughs at Delta until... the merger is approved.

Then, the carnage begins. I'm guessing 20% of pilots (that's 20% of the combined total of pilots after the merger is complete). Now which side of the fence those 20% come from, well that's gonna be fun to watch.

"But management said, blah blah blah and we have furlough protection in our contract blah blah blah and we're taking deliveries of 3 new airplanes blah blah blah" Whatever.

 

[TWA Dude]

Word from VP Hetterman yesterday at the Training Center is no furloughs planned but it'll take a month for the fall staffing numbers to be crunched. Retiring MD80s/A300s combined with incoming 737s and pilot retirements causes a huge training bump that requires high staffing levels.

 

[aa73]

I concur, no furloughs IMO. However, there is no second recall class in June, only 17 in the first (and only) June recall class, and that will probably be the last recall class this year.

73

 

[Wingman10]

I hope you are right JP. That S80/737 trade off seems to be the general consenus. Only time will tell.

JW

 

[Ex737Driver]

133.70
Don't forget to vote republican.

Actually, not only have gas and oil prices almost doubled, food costs increased, and consumer confidence at it's lowest, it's all been done with a DEMOCRATIC run Congress. Gotta love Pelosi and her 100 day promise.

 

[GIII Instructor]

I concur, no furloughs IMO. However, there is no second recall class in June, only 17 in the first (and only) June recall class, and that will probably be the last recall class this year.

73

maybe no furloughs in the next few months...however, the price of oil is an unknown variable; my sources say the parking of 40-45 s80's is only the tip of the iceberg... now is the time for guys to have contingencies and exit strategies in place.

just my opinion...

 

[Fubijaakr]

What you meant to say is there won't be any Delta furloughs. LOA 19 sees to that.

They'll just park the redtail DC-9s and 747s and furlough the NWA guys.

 

[JohnDoe]

What you meant to say is there won't be any Delta furloughs. LOA 19 sees to that.

I wouldn't get too comfortable. That no-furlough clause you (or anybody) had after 9-11 didn't work out too well now did it.

No-furlough clauses aren't worth the paper they are written on. Especially since it talks about merger-related furloughs.

 

[flyipilot]

I hope we can get past this without any pilot furloughs but, lets be real....AA said today they will cut 6000 jobs. Delta stated they will layoff 2000 a few weeks ago. If those numbers do not include pilots, I would be shocked. We all know they will. How much, another question. But, I would not be a happy guy if I was hired within the past 2 years at ANY major airline (except SWA). You will most likely lose your job IF oil and the economy continues this way. The industry is very sad and just google any airline name to see how bad it is. AA is a hair away from filing Chap11. I like AA and hope they can pull it off but, Chap11 is not the end....it might be a beginning and the relief they need.

 

[flyboy006]

What you meant to say is there won't be any Delta furloughs. LOA 19 sees to that.

They'll just park the redtail DC-9s and 747s and furlough the NWA guys.

the no furlough class is not worth the paper it is written on.. dont get overly wrapped up in thinking it is a hard no furlough clause...

 

[RedRum]

What you meant to say is there won't be any Delta furloughs. LOA 19 sees to that.

They'll just park the redtail DC-9s and 747s and furlough the NWA guys.

Aint going to happen that way Kool-Aide boy. The no-furlough clause isn't worth the paper it is written on. Remember force-majeur (horse manuer)? DAL will furlough whoever/whenever they want.

But thanks for trying to trash another pilot group in the face of adversity.

That's ALPA in a microcosm right there. I got mine, pull up the ladder!

Remember, what goes around comes around.

ONE AIRLINE ONE CONTRACT = shared pain when things start to go bad.

 

[taxi1wire]

You've gotta be kidding me...

What you meant to say is there won't be any Delta furloughs. LOA 19 sees to that.

They'll just park the redtail DC-9s and 747s and furlough the NWA guys.

I'll join the CHORUS in saying that no furlough claus piece of paper is good for one thing, when you're out in the bush and need to wipe yer a..

You're just a number pal and any MGMT sees you just as that, a number to be managed. The ax is coming, not if but when. I feel for all of you guys. I got whacked (furloughed) in 2003, resigned from UAL in 2007 and never looked back.

The entire industry is so dysfunctional, hell make that the entire current American corporate system. What the hell can you do...I walked away in disgust and now just watch with morbid fascination from the sidelines..

Good luck everyone,

 

[Razorback Flyer]

Delta stated they will layoff 2000 a few weeks ago. If those numbers do not include pilots, I would be shocked. We all know they will.

You need to check your info, man. Delta didn't lay anyone off. It offered a buyout for which 30,000 employees were eligible, and they were hoping to get 2000 takers. The offer was not extended to pilots - they're going to be a little short this summer as it stands right now.

 

[JOPILOT]

I spoke to DAL crew resources yesterday, no displacements planned and they are going to be short in the 767 domestic and ER operations for the summer. Said they will be way too thin this fall with more 777's and schedule of 737-7's on the way, no way they can fill the seats without hiring or taking pilots out of other aircraft...which ones will remain to be seen, but for now it looks like there will be more reductions at DAL via RJ's then MD80's or DC9's.