Union Question

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Yes, and there always will be. It doesn't justify supporting ALPA.

So a pilot who is criminalized should be left alone?
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Pilots Lepore and Paladino are furloughees from large commercial airlines. The Air Line Pilots Association was one of few voices lobbying for their release. Though pleased with the decision to allow the pilots to return to the United States, the association remains unhappy at the way the men were publicly condemned by certain Brazilian authorities and does not believe that the filing of criminal charges was justified. Not only because there's scant evidence of wrongdoing, but also because of the precedent set by such action.

In Japan, in a case condemned by ALPA and other organizations, Japan Airlines Capt. Koichiu Takamoto was prosecuted for the death of a flight attendant aboard JAL Flight 706 in 1997. The aircraft encountered strong turbulence at 25,000 feet, and it was alleged that Takamoto responded improperly, inducing violent oscillations. He was found not guilty.


"I find it ironic," an ALPA spokesperson told me, "that some of the same Western countries that decry things like the death penalty or the excesses of some forms of Islamic law still have this medieval attitude toward imposing criminal punishment on people for accidents."

http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2006/12/15/askthepilot213/index.html

 

[CopilotDoug]

So a pilot who is criminalized should be left alone?http://

No, and that's why they have Aviation Attorneys. What was ALPA's role in the South American case aside from lipservice to boost their image?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

No, and that's why they have Aviation Attorneys. What was ALPA's role in the South American case aside from lipservice to boost their image?

See..... you got to insult... all while being ignorant on the issues....


ALPA and IFALPA led the political pressure to get them return to the US.

Can you tell us the names of the aviation attorney's that the pilots used to return them to the US?

 

[CopilotDoug]

See..... you got to insult... all while being ignorant on the issues....


ALPA and IFALPA led the political pressure to get them return to the US.

Can you tell us the names of the aviation attorney's that the pilots used to return them to the US?

Sorry to take the wind out of your sails, but ALPA was just the whisper among the screams. As has been stated in articles on the subject, just about every aviation organization was involved including Excelair. If you can show me evidence that these two pilots were released as a result of ALPA alone, then I will be happy to give them full credit.

The attorney representing the pilots works for the law firm Anania Bandklayder Blackwell Baumgarten Torricella & Stein

 

[labbats]

I didn't name names when I said everyone gets scolded for saying negative things about ALPA, but you've forced my hand Rez.

I've also learned not to argue with a wall that's incapable of change.

You go your way and I'll go mine. ALPA is a shell of what is was and is supposed to be. You can argue about its merits all day long, but we both know that.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Sorry to take the wind out of your sails, but ALPA was just the whisper among the screams. As has been stated in articles on the subject, just about every aviation organization was involved including Excelair. If you can show me evidence that these two pilots were released as a result of ALPA alone, then I will be happy to give them full credit.

The attorney representing the pilots works for the law firm Anania Bandklayder Blackwell Baumgarten Torricella & Stein

I never said ALPA was exclusive on the issue.

Thanks for the info.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I didn't name names when I said everyone gets scolded for saying negative things about ALPA, but you've forced my hand Rez.

I've also learned not to argue with a wall that's incapable of change.

Like the apathetic membership. After dereg it was everyman for himself... the easy cushion that ALPA provided was no longer valid... but yet members still expect it. Now one has to manage thier own 401k, you can complain, that someone else should manage your retirement like the past... but when you retire... its your money.. or what you made of it...


The pilot career has changed... the membership hasn't..

You go your way and I'll go mine. ALPA is a shell of what is was and is supposed to be. You can argue about its merits all day long, but we both know that.

What was ALPA and its supposed to be? Can you tell me? Quantify that?

You mean ALPA was a service organization that took care of its members like welfare recipients. Pilots need not worry... now all that has changed and one needs to be more involved...

We both know that...

 

[777_Jackpot]

Skywest gets its work rules and other things based on what union workers have negotiated previously. Thats what they base it on. What there peers have. From there they can do better or worse. Either way without unions Skywest wouldnt have what it has today.

Actually, the root of your statement is the crux of my argument. Union WORKERS negotiate the contracts that other in house pilot groups supposedly base their work rules on. However, the only common ground the negotiating committees of each and every ALPA work force share with each other, is the bank account number their 2% is deposited in. Lets be clear, ALPA national doesn't negotiate for UAL, ASA, CAL etc, as you have pointed out, (that would be a union). The WORKERS negotiated the contracts with the explicit goal of getting the very best work rules for the pilot group that they are a member of. No membership required.