A new way for ALPA to collect dues

[spinproof]

Wow! What a witty, yet informative comeback!

With how quickly some of you ALPA supporters have jumped on me, it's no wonder a lot of pilots are getting a bad taste in their mouths for ALPA. I'm no ALPA insider, and no veteran here, but as a line pilot I can describe how this looks from my position. And it looks bad.

Now if all of you want to just defend and ignore, go for it. But as a lowly line pilot, I thought I'd share my opinion of the issue. Take it for what it's worth.

You are spot on La Capitana!! Always Losing Pilots Assets.

 

[800Dog]

The airlines that shutdown were the smallest portion of the dues lost. The largest portion, USAirways, was caused largely by Prater, Mr. politics before policy himself.

I guess some of us just see things differently. USAirways pilots and the arbitrator had nothing to do with it?

 

[Colonel Savage]

...With how quickly some of you ALPA supporters have jumped on me...

You might want to rephrase that?

Or not, either way...;-)

 

[vetrider]

I guess some of us just see things differently. USAirways pilots and the arbitrator had nothing to do with it?

The result may very well have been the same. However, the chips would have fallen where they may, and that would have been that. He would have followed policy.

However, the way he played, he left himself open. All that jacking around did several things. It legitimized, rightly or wrongly, the east's view that there was a problem, and it gave them all kinds of time to spool things up for the 'drive.' Not to mention, it got the ball rolling for fubar after fubar, ie. Philly rep trusteeship, etc. which gave the 'drive' that much more momentum and self justification.

Sure, things could have been the same ultimately. But Prater's chicken ******************** activity left him and the ALPA wide open. Once you start pulling that stuff, people see that you can't be counted on. Sorta like east pilots, actually.

 

[AlbieF15]

Fact is the BOD will be voting on a new Sec/Treasurer soon with a yes/no vote to approve the nomination. If you are not happy, contact your MEC and let them know.

Box--your salary chart is dated as a lot of those names are no longer in positions of leadership. However, Cohen and York probably earn every penny--they are part of ALPA legal/negotiation team.

I think the market should determine the other rates--I'll save that debate for the BOD and members at large.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Some ideas...

1. Take the postage paid PAC envelopes they put in the magazine and write them a note on it and put it in the mailbox....

2. Go off dues checkoff....and make them send you a bill....then take your time paying them....

3. Once you get close to retirement or leaving for a non-ALPA carrier stop paying dues the last 6 months...You'll be gone before they can get you on the Agency Shop termination...

Time for us "to take it back"........

 

[eaglesview]

The one and only bright spot in the possible merge with USAir will be the opportunity to vote ALPA off UAL.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Who said we were merging with United ?

PHXFLYR

 

[glasspilot1]

Not to mention the lawsuits!

>> ITEM 5: ALPA National Updates
5a: In light of the recent or impending loss of a large number of pilots from ALPA, including those from US Airways, America West, Skyway, Aloha, ATA, and Champion, ALPA faces a significant shortfall
in its operating budget from diminished dues revenues. <<

And the further budget shortfall when ALPA loses the lawsuits from the former TWA and Emery pilot groups. Have I forgot any other ALPO suits?

 

[tomgoodman]

Fair is fair

In the interest of fairness and with consideration of the fiscal shortfall, the Council and Board adopted the proposed resolutions to subject all 401(k) contributions to ALPA dues.

"In the interest of fairness", if retirement compensation is subject to dues, shouldn't retirees be entitled to vote on contracts, LOAs, and in union officer elections?

 

[~~~^~~~]

Tom:

I think they are taking the money going in, not coming out. Someone correct me if I'm mistaken.

That would really shake things up, a few thousand non flying voting members. Wonder if scheduling would be much of a negotiating priority?

Joe:

How's cheating your union out of dues "taking it back?"

You can always opt out and pay less. What did they work out in Miller v. ALPA?

 

[§kyye Candy]

5a: In light of the recent or impending loss of a large number of pilots from ALPA, including those from US Airways, America West, Skyway, Aloha, ATA, and Champion, ALPA faces a significant shortfall in its operating budget from diminished dues revenues.

This has probably already been said, but... gee, maybe they should have taken that under consideration before they let airline mgt. groups hijack this whole industry.

 

[eaglesview]

Who said we were merging with United ?

PHXFLYR

I hope your right.

 

[f15boomer]

This has probably already been said, but... gee, maybe they should have taken that under consideration before they let airline mgt. groups hijack this whole industry.[/qu

This really makes me LOL. I am so glad ALPO no longer has my money.

 

[Papa Woody]

the day my 401(k) becomes subject to ALPA withholding, I begin decert procedures at my airline.