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Copydat

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I received a proposed settlement notice today due to the fact that I was once employed by ASA. Looks like RJDC and ALPA are planning to settle for $600,000 (total number not per pilot)!

Law firm gets $225,000. Administrative costs of up to $30,000 and the balance to be distributed to ASA and Comair pilots of record. Figuring a conservative number of 4000 pilots since 2001 that gives each pilot somewhere around $75!

Also a lot of mumbo jumbo about a requirement that ALPA form a "Scope Subcommittee" that gets all the boys together before a scope negotiation and talks about common goals.

I remember the big ideals of RJDC in 2002. Looks like they are cutting their losses and getting the lawyers paid up.
 
Doesn't this money go to the people that donated to the RJDC only? If so, not everybody employed by ASA and Comair during these dates will see any money.

If I do, I'll donate mine to the ALPA PAC.
 
Stifler's Mom said:
Doesn't this money go to the people that donated to the RJDC only? If so, not everybody employed by ASA and Comair during these dates will see any money.

If I do, I'll donate mine to the ALPA PAC.
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Joe, I know you're a big supporter of this, please give us your take...

Trojan
 
Joe

Can't wait til Joe chimes in! This jackoff has pretty much framed the entire past decade around the RJDC.

Just exactly as I predicted many yrs. ago-RJDC will win, but win what will they really get?

-Don't spend it all in one place, Joe -What you think a rate of return of about 1 per 100?
 
It would be better if they said we didn't have to pay dues for a month.
 
Jmoney said:
Can't wait til Joe chimes in! This jackoff has pretty much framed the entire past decade around the RJDC.

Just exactly as I predicted many yrs. ago-RJDC will win, but win what will they really get?

-Don't spend it all in one place, Joe -What you think a rate of return of about 1 per 100?
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Why all the venom money?

If you were a DCI pilot after 9/11, you can thank that law suit for not getting a jets for jobs style contract jammed down your throat.

If you were a main line Delta guy. I'm sorry. DAPLA ate it's young trying save it's top end. And ended up giving a major portion of it's own flying to the regional carriers.

Thank you RJDC
 
Copydat said:
Figuring a conservative number of 4000 pilots since 2001 that gives each pilot somewhere around $75!
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I believe only people who donated to the RJDC will be getting the partial rebate.
 
For those of you who are able to step aside from your biases, this is actually a huge win for the RJDC. The stated goal was always to change ALPA policy, which was accomplished. The icing on the cake is that attorney fees are paid for. I'm not a supporter of the RJDC, but I've got to hand it to them for staring ALPA in the eye and not blinking.
 
That's one hell of a spin. This was a massive failure for the RJDC wankers. No other way to interpret it.
 
hidden secret of the rjdc....
you have to prove damages you fools
hopefully your lawyers will spend all that cash on airline tickets
 
USCtrojan said:
Joe, I know you're a big supporter of this, please give us your take...

Trojan
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1. The settlement was actually agreed to prior to this....This is just the mailing going out to those who may have contributed.

2. I believe the lawsuit itself prevented mainline pilots from achieving "super-seniority" here at ASA...This is backed up by the senior member of our current MEC...He told me personally that the RJDC lawsuit helped fight off DALPA....

3. Personally I contibuted about $2200....I will get less than half that back....However it was money well spent...

4. The case was strong....ALPA had deeper pockets in the end...

5. There were some important results of this lawsuit..and the anti-RJDC crowd can't win either way....Either ALPA honors it's commitment to these reforms..or it continues to ignore them....either way the anti-RJDC crowd looks bad...

6. An important part of the settlement was the fact that RJDC did not agree to not sue in the future....The ball is now in ALPA's court....Will we do this again, or did ALPA learn their lesson....ALPA spent millions on this lawsuit...It would behoove them to see that this doesn't happen again....

7. Kudos to Dan F. and the rest of the RJDC leadership.....they put in an incredible amount of effort and personal finance to see this to the end....We could use more like them....
 
Jmoney said:
Can't wait til Joe chimes in! This jackoff has pretty much framed the entire past decade around the RJDC.

Just exactly as I predicted many yrs. ago-RJDC will win, but win what will they really get?

-Don't spend it all in one place, Joe -What you think a rate of return of about 1 per 100?
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None of us have won....We are still all competing for flying within a brand while whiners like you complain about the pay getting lower....Stop the competing within a brand and you will stop the slide....Keep your head burried in the sand and you will continue to watch the pay slide....Your choice.....
 
PCL_128 said:
That's one hell of a spin. This was a massive failure for the RJDC wankers. No other way to interpret it.
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Was this a major victory for ALPA?......ALPA spent far more money....Do you think this will push ALPA in the right direction now?
 
asadonkey said:
hidden secret of the rjdc....
you have to prove damages you fools
hopefully your lawyers will spend all that cash on airline tickets
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Is it possible that the "damages" were prevented by the lawsuit itself? My career is still moving forward...maybe the lawsuit helped that...If so, it was money well spent.......
 
JoeMerchant said:
Was this a major victory for ALPA?......
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Yes. They prevented the merry band of RJDC dimwits from eliminating all scope language.

Do you think this will push ALPA in the right direction now?
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On issues that the RJDC addressed, ALPA was never moving in the wrong direction in the first place. The only mistake was allowing the outsourcing in the first place.
 
PCL_128 said:
Yes. They prevented the merry band of RJDC dimwits from eliminating all scope language.
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That was never a goal of the RJDC...Please provide your reference that it was....


PCL_128 said:
On issues that the RJDC addressed, ALPA was never moving in the wrong direction in the first place. The only mistake was allowing the outsourcing in the first place.
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Says you....ALPA moved towards supper seniority for mainline pilots and restrictions on many properties.....ASA and CMR avoided much of that....because of the lawsuit......

No jetsforjobs, and more liberal RJ limits at DCI....ALPA has been moving in the wrong direction on scope for many years.....
 
...ALPA spent millions on this lawsuit.......
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Of mine and every ALPA members dues dollar.

One of the many problems with ALPA is the lack of individual concern. With everyone screwing everyone, the "losers" blame "ALPA" never looking at thier fellow pilot... with a box of screws...
 
Rez O. Lewshun said:
Of mine and every ALPA members dues dollar.

One of the many problems with ALPA is the lack of individual concern. With everyone screwing everyone, the "losers" blame "ALPA" never looking at thier fellow pilot... with a box of screws...
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1. I thought I was on your ignore list....What happened? In typical ALPA fashion....you cant keep your promise....Welcome back...

2. "One of the many problems with ALPA"? You sound like me now.....

3. "Everyone screwing everyone"? Again you sound like me....What do you mean??....Are you saying we are "screwing each other"....How is that so with a "brotherhood" and a "union".....

4. I see the box of screws....And I have a power driver....I'm ready.....Is there a foreman on the property who will see that we don't "screw" each other....Or should I fire up my power driver......
 
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JoeMerchant said:
1. I thought I was on your ignore list....What happened? In typical ALPA fashion....you cant keep your promise....Welcome back...
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I know... and I should know better, my motto for you is the same for the Wesites motto for the East. "you can't fix stupid" but I'll try...

2. "One of the many problems with ALPA"? You sound like me now.....
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Don't flatter yourself. I recognize problems and work the problems.

You see problems in terms of whats in it for you. You are individualistic.

3. "Everyone screwing everyone"? Again you sound like me....What do you mean??....Are you saying we are "screwing each other"....How is that so with a "brotherhood" and a "union".....
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By suing the union and costing us all millions of dollars, and you do it with pride and glee. It is your rapture. Of course you do this as a Ford and Harrison tool. You are their boy.

4. I see the box of screws....And I have a power driver....I'm ready.....Is there a foreman on the property who will see that we don't "screw" each other....Or should I fire up my power driver......
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Sounds like a scab with all that screwing. You are not a scab are you Joey? You wouldn't sue, er I mean screw your fellow pilot would you?
 
Settlement notice says everyone employed by Comair and ASA during the effective dates is to get "paid". I'll take the little lady out for some tacos and corona and leave a good tip. My night out courtesy of ALPA!
 
Copydat said:
Settlement notice says everyone employed by Comair and ASA during the effective dates is to get "paid".
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That's not what it says.

If you didn't contribute to the effort financially, what you get out of it is a change in ALPA's policy.
 
The money the RJDC spent seems excessive instead of using logic, leadership, influence, social and emotional skills, quid pro quo and politics.
 
Rez O. Lewshun said:
The money the RJDC spent seems excessive instead of using logic, leadership, influence, social and emotional skills, quid pro quo and politics.
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.....you mean like USAir/AWA and DAL/NWA are using???....ALPA could use some of the things you mentioned....unfortunately they all they understand is money....
 
JoeMerchant said:
.....you mean like USAir/AWA and DAL/NWA are using???....ALPA could use some of the things you mentioned....unfortunately they all they understand is money....
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Priceless. To summarize the "change" in ALPAs policy requires a consult for scope issues as per a Delta pilot:


DAL MEC: "We're going to take back all of the flying we gave you" <consulting part>

CONNECTION MECs: "Hey, you can't do that" <consulting part>

DAL MEC: "Blow me" <end of consulting part>
 
PCL_128 said:
Yes. They prevented the merry band of RJDC dimwits from eliminating all scope language.
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They aren't as dumb as you think. Actually much smarter. And the idea that they wanted to eliminate all scope language is just what the boys at Delta want their blockhead constituency to believe. Looks like you bought it too.
 

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