Has USAPA Contacted You?

[weasel_lips]

Heh Weasel and MCDUh. Do you not realize that a lot of the posters on here that are disgusted by your actions are from other airlines. How do you even walk through a terminal surrounded by fellow pilots that think you're the stuff scraped off a shoe.

Do you realize you are a jackass and no one gives a hoot about your opinion? Get a life moron. Yes, we should all live our lives striving to please the online CEO’s at FI.COM. What a joke you are.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Typical USAPA response. First Try and use twisted, ridiculous logic to justify they're point. Second, cry and rant like a baby.

usapa bedwetters....

 

[Draginass]

Dragonass:

You may be right but don't be deluded that AA is in any better shape.

Actually AA is in much better shape relatively speaking. Not good, but it's not the boat anchors that LCC and UA are. I predict another run at BK for the new United and significant layoffs. The question is who gets canned.

The UAL MEC ain't dumb and they're going to jump on the integration issue with guns blazing. After the USAPA debacle, they've got a pretty good idea of what they're dealing with.

 

[TWA Dude]

Actually AA is in much better shape relatively speaking. Not good, but it's not the boat anchors that LCC and UA are.

What data do you base that on? AMR wasn't the only airline that stockpiled cash last year. LCC has a similar amount of cash and I dare say AA has some union issues of its own.

I predict another run at BK for the new United and significant layoffs.

This I agree on. UAUA stock is highly overvalued. That bubble will burst.

The UAL MEC ain't dumb and they're going to jump on the integration issue with guns blazing.

If the merger happens that's what we're counting on. Personally, I'd rather deal with AL-SAPA than another merger.

 

[OnTheDole]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOsiEofi1xg

I was confused about the relevance of this video until Bruce said " hey there, anal dwelling but monkey"

But I’m still not sure if its in reference to MCDU or weasel lips… or both

 

[cactusboy53]

A merger with UAL ain't gonna include the west. So you will be free from those stupid easties one way or another. You can do some binding arbitration with Mesa next.

Weasel & M. MCDu;
I find your calm responses after your U-Sap's win hysterical! I suggest that your amazing win the result of 300+ voters casting a USAPA vote fully believing that ALPA would win any way. The response of USAPA in the week after the vote was a scramble-fest to say the least. Not so much "seamless" transition.

You now have galvanized 1800 strong (vs. 2700....ooh I just hate ALPA) to crush your attempts at DOH. You may have not noticed, but you have collectively become the pariah's of the Commercial Aviation industry. You even have other Airline pilots denying U-Sap's the jumpseat. I would presume that there are new and improved SCAB lists that identify U-Sap supporters in the making.

What you should have done is accept the federal binding arbitration, returned to the JNC and negotiated a new contract and make the best of it when LCC was making money, and kept your cake hole shut. But no, that would have made sense and been too easy.

I don't know the the LCC / UAL merge is truely possible, but if completed your little union will be called DOA.

Happy trails. We'll see you in Philly when the list is implemented .

 

[ualdriver]

Actually AA is in much better shape relatively speaking. Not good, but it's not the boat anchors that LCC and UA are. I predict another run at BK for the new United and significant layoffs. The question is who gets canned.

The UAL MEC ain't dumb and they're going to jump on the integration issue with guns blazing. After the USAPA debacle, they've got a pretty good idea of what they're dealing with.

Really? Did you read that on flightinfo? We're going bankrupt again? When? Would you mind posting some numbers for me as to when we will arrive at that date? I want to know so I can time my buying and selling of UAUA stock. Most of UA's public financial data can be found here unless you have access to better numbers. I'll be anxiously awaiting your detailed analysis........

 

[Crzipilot]

Well Hey, if there is a new SCAB list pending, I guess ALPA will take us back pronto.......

 

[SaturnPilot]

USAPA has come a long way in just a few months. Elections coming soon.

for the small price of $200 per pilot...

You can watch and sit there and whine all you want,

(USAPA's actions as of one month ago)

but the East pilots had no other option then getting rid of ALPA.

no, they had other options...but this one makes the east pilots "feel better"

In case of a merger, we are better off not being in ALPA. I do hope the United thing does not happen. United needs our cash. They are burning through 6 mio. a day and have no long term business plan. No planes on order. United is looking for a way out and it should not include USAIR. We are running one of the best operations now. Our on time is very high and lots of upgrades and plane orders for international growth. We are much better off then with United. Tilton is desperate.

I'm sorry, but in a UA/US merger, UA would be the unlucky one.

 

[JT8D]

Trajectory matters. Pity USAPA's is downward.



Interesting! What will USAPA do if a few of it's elected reps take action(s) to undermine USAPA? Will they be placed in receivership? How will USAPA deal with disgruntled members? Karnak predicts the entree will be Hypocrisy, with a side of Irony.



Yeah, but it burned in a day! Got your fiddle, Nero?



I gather.

So now they're the dog who caught the car. Their representational dream has come true! They are "in charge". THEY get to decide.

Problem: There are no solutions within the fundamental ideology of USAPA. Their Nicene Creed is one line: "We believe the Nicolau Award must not stand."

'Kay.

Regardless of how that gordian knot gets cut, there will be no unity at USAirways. Management knows that. So essentially, all USAPA has done is gain adversaries.



Awesome motto! Put that on the logo.

An organization FOUNDED by whiners whining ought to incorporate that theme on their business cards.



Epic! In case of a merger, you'll be steered to binding arbitration! Your leadership will solemnly sign documents to abide by an arbitrator's ruling.

So help me out here, Madam Cleo: Will they be lying?

If the OTHER side agrees to binding arbitration, then changes their mind if the ruling makes them angry...will you support that?



Not to worry! Their business plan is to go back into Chapter 11 after having just emerged a couple of years ago...to viciously pound Labor a second time.

Psst! Guess where they got that "plan"?

Damn Occam,

I usually admire your posts, but this one makes it seem that you personally lost a six figure pencil pusher position and a personalized parking spot in Herndon?

Any idea when Prater will push age 70 through? Probably when he gets a little closer to 65 is my guess.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Damn Occam,

Move the comma...and we're cool!

I usually admire your posts, but this one makes it seem that you personally lost a six figure pencil pusher position and a personalized parking spot in Herndon?

Me?

Good one!

I don't hold an ALPA office. I just think East dudes made a huuuuuuuge mistake here. For all the right reasons, they did the wrong thing.

What specifically in my post did you disagree with?

In a future merger with ____, if it comes down to binding arbitration with the OTHER pilot group, will USAPA pilots demand that the other group abide by the ruling?

Any idea when Prater will push age 70 through? Probably when he gets a little closer to 65 is my guess.

You left out the part where the membership is polled, and he blows it off.

 

[FDJ2]

Quote:
Originally Posted by MCDU
Rome was not buildt in a day...

Yeah, but it burned in a day! Got your fiddle, Nero?

Perfect, well said Occam.

 

[JT8D]

Move the comma...and we're cool!



Me?

Good one!

I don't hold an ALPA office. I just think East dudes made a huuuuuuuge mistake here. For all the right reasons, they did the wrong thing.

What specifically in my post did you disagree with?

In a future merger with ____, if it comes down to binding arbitration with the OTHER pilot group, will USAPA pilots demand that the other group abide by the ruling?



You left out the part where the membership is polled, and he blows it off.

Right on, I hear ya.

I just think that the US Airways thing should be settled among themselves. American separated from ALPA. Southwest is not ALPA. They are two very successful carriers.

To suggest that a carrier will not survive without ALPA is very closed minded.

To answer your question, Binding or not (IMO) the nic ruling was not fair. It's like a plea bargain where you know you are not guilty, but if you plead Innocent and are found guilty it's jail for life.

 

[vetrider]

Ok, so who gets to be on the committee to ensure the "fairness" of all things sent to binding arbitration?

 

[JT8D]

Ok, so who gets to be on the committee to ensure the "fairness" of all things sent to binding arbitration?

Still spending that 330 upgrade money?

 

[vetrider]

Still spending that 330 upgrade money?

Nah, I'd rather fly a real airplane than one made of foam.

 

[Occam's Razor]

I just think that the US Airways thing should be settled among themselves. American separated from ALPA. Southwest is not ALPA. They are two very successful carriers.

No argument here! USAPA is a unique situation. It's a band of pilots who didn't like an arbitrator's ruling, so they sold USAPA as a way to undermine a binding commitment.

To suggest that a carrier will not survive without ALPA is very closed minded.

That's why I didn't.

I suggested that the leadership of USAPA just might find themselves in a merger, where they end up in binding arbitration. Will they expect the other pilot group to abide by the arbitrator's ruling? Will they commit to abide by the ruling?

It's not a matter of trust, or fairness, or even ALPA! It's a matter of starting a "revolution" over something that you yourself fully expect others to accept under the same circumstances!

To answer your question, Binding or not (IMO) the nic ruling was not fair. It's like a plea bargain where you know you are not guilty, but if you plead Innocent and are found guilty it's jail for life.

No it's not! It's like a man who makes a bet, then doesn't pay off when he loses.

Do you expect any other pilot group to pay off if they submit to binding arbitration with you...and lose?

Yes or no?

 

[Bringupthebird]

I
To answer your question, Binding or not (IMO) the nic ruling was not fair. It's like a plea bargain where you know you are not guilty, but if you plead Innocent and are found guilty it's jail for life.

The east pilots had the chance to participate and craft the decision. In fact the arbitrator pleaded with them to modify their stance, but they refused. When they cling to an unreasonable position, how can they expect any decision to pass their "fairness" test.

How "fair" is it for one faction of the pilot group to make another portion suffer the loss of their ALPA protections, just so that they can prove a point?

How about responsible?
How about honorable?
How about trustworthy?

 

[JT8D]

No argument here! USAPA is a unique situation. It's a band of pilots who didn't like an arbitrator's ruling, so they sold USAPA as a way to undermine a binding commitment.



That's why I didn't.

I suggested that the leadership of USAPA just might find themselves in a merger, where they end up in binding arbitration. Will they expect the other pilot group to abide by the arbitrator's ruling? Will they commit to abide by the ruling?

It's not a matter of trust, or fairness, or even ALPA! It's a matter of starting a "revolution" over something that you yourself fully expect others to accept under the same circumstances!



No it's not! It's like a man who makes a bet, then doesn't pay off when he loses.

Do you expect any other pilot group to pay off if they submit to binding arbitration with you...and lose?

Yes or no?

Bottom line is if 'Save Dave' (what is his DOH?-2003?)from AWA ends up a CA with a US 89 hire as an FO..that's FUBAR...BIG TIME!

 

[FR8mastr]

Bottom line is if 'Save Dave' (what is his DOH?-2003?)from AWA ends up a CA with a US 89 hire as an FO..that's FUBAR...BIG TIME!

His DOH was in 2005