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Jon Rivoli

Jon Rivoli

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Not the bunch of St. George yokels you might have thought, particularly Steven F. Udvar-Hazy. Chairman and CEO of ILFC.
 
its so funny to me how many people hate skywest because of our sucess... the company is managed incredibly well.... stability in this industry speaks....
 
We hate SKW and RAH because you fly too cheap. Not because your company is successful. Much of you company's success came from shafting pilot groups who flew for what they were worth, or former mainline flying...

EDIT.... "Hate" is probably too strong of a word in that context. I don't hate, or even dislike any individual pilot on either seniority list. I do however, and I'm not alone, dislike a pilot group who exchanges substandard wages and work rules for growth. I also applaud the RAH pilots who will hopefully negotiate a contract that reflects the aircraft they fly. You Skywest folks on the other hand don't seem too interested in that. As evidenced by they nay voters in the last union drive. That would have been a good place to start.
 
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OPECJet said:
We hate SKW and RAH because you fly too cheap. Not because your company is successful. Much of you company's success came from shafting pilot groups who flew for what they were worth, or former mainline flying...

EDIT.... "Hate" is probably too strong of a word in that context. I don't hate, or even dislike any individual pilot on either seniority list. I do however, and I'm not alone, dislike a pilot group who exchanges substandard wages and work rules for growth. I also applaud the RAH pilots who will hopefully negotiate a contract that reflects the aircraft they fly. You Skywest folks on the other hand don't seem too interested in that. As evidenced by they nay voters in the last union drive. That would have been a good place to start.
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And what airline with superior pay and work rules do you work for? If you think Skywest is successful by undercutting the industry you are crazy. Substandard work rules and wages? Compared to who? You hate SkW and RAH because they have found a way to be successful in a tough industry without giving substandard pay and work rules, simple as that.
 
OPECJet said:
We hate SKW and RAH because you fly too cheap. Not because your company is successful. Much of you company's success came from shafting pilot groups who flew for what they were worth, or former mainline flying...

EDIT.... "Hate" is probably too strong of a word in that context. I don't hate, or even dislike any individual pilot on either seniority list. I do however, and I'm not alone, dislike a pilot group who exchanges substandard wages and work rules for growth. I also applaud the RAH pilots who will hopefully negotiate a contract that reflects the aircraft they fly. You Skywest folks on the other hand don't seem too interested in that. As evidenced by they nay voters in the last union drive. That would have been a good place to start.
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Have you looked at Pinnacle, Comair and Mesaba's CRJ900 payscales? Not quite as good as SkyWests but wait a minute- THOSE ARE ALL UNION. How the hell? Maybe SkyWest is a good place!?!?!?
 
my skywest roomate made alllllllot more $$$ than i did on both 2nd year pay.
he made almost 20K more than i did and he had an avg. 14-15 days off a month..about half his sched time and a half and bids with check airman and getting kicked off, picked up other trips and made double time.
We cant do that where i am at. WTF??
i support alpa, but i notice some jealousy from other pilots cant we cant make double time and a non union carrier can,,,and that carrier is makng great money,
time to look at those pay scales people.
skywest isnt the lowest and they have no union.
lets all stop skywest bashing and get on with our lives, those guys dont seem to put other companies down as much as all of us non skyw pilots do..wonder why that is?
 
jea said:
its so funny to me how many people hate skywest because of our sucess... the company is managed incredibly well.... stability in this industry speaks....
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The import of SKYW managerial talent at ASA seems to be going very well. It is a marked improvement from last year at this time.

However, it should also be noted that a lot of SKYW's business success, at least when dealing with Delta, stems from extremely favorable contracts that SKYW has with Delta.
 
Care to name another regional carrier that treats its pilots better than SKW? How about one that's as well-managed and poised for growth? I don't work there, but I bet a lot of people are starting to wish they did. Of course, we should all be trying to get a better deal than what we have. Hopefully RAH can set the bar higher in negotiations, but right now you guys are attacking the kings of the ****pile.
 
jea said:
its so funny to me how many people hate skywest because of our sucess... the company is managed incredibly well.... stability in this industry speaks....
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They hate SKYW because of guys like you, idiots who gloat because they had the good fortune to be hired at a stable successful company. In days of yore you wouldn't have been considered for an interview, much less hired, desperation drove your employment, enjoy it you looser!
PBR
 
ASA hired me. Skywest, however, wanted so badly for me to be an employee of their company they bought ASA.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Goat
 
PBRstreetgang said:
They hate SKYW because of guys like you, idiots who gloat because they had the good fortune to be hired at a stable successful company. In days of yore you wouldn't have been considered for an interview, much less hired, desperation drove your employment, enjoy it you looser!
PBR
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And what, exactly, was said in the post you quoted that was untrue or even Kool-Aid Drinker-esque in nature? SkyWest is successful, no? As is RAH...and where there is success, there will be at least a little bit of envy masked by venomous remarks by those that may have been given a choice and chose to go with other carriers instead of SKW or RAH...only to find themselves faced with uncertainty. It is most definitely not their fault...they made the best choice for them at the time they made it...but now that two companies are finding themselves as the leaders of the pack, the popular thing to do when you're facing uncertainty is to try to bring down those who face a less uncertain future.

Based strictly upon my operational interactions with JEA, I would have to say that he is quite the consummate professional...which is more than we can say for you. A professional pilot is not defined by his piloting abilities and knowledge alone, but also by his or her interactions with others.

Any message posted by someone as an internet message board persona is, more often than not, a window that peeks into what the real person is like. Your public disdain for your your fellow company employees just because they are happy with where they are and more than OK with their station in life speaks volumes about you as a person.

We know who you are...and we know you are a miserable person to deal with & for anyone to have to fly with. If you are truly so miserable with where you are and have such hatred for the direction SkyWest has gone, why do you stick around?
 
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WalterSobchak said:
And what, exactly, was said in the post you quoted that was untrue or even Kool-Aid Drinker-esque in nature? SkyWest is successful, no? As is RAH...and where there is success, there will be at least a little bit of envy masked by venomous remarks by those that may have been given a choice and chose to go with other carriers instead of SKW or RAH...only to find themselves faced with uncertainty.

Based strictly upon my operational interactions with JEA, I would have to say that he is quite the consummate professional...which is more than we can say for you. A professional pilot is not defined by his piloting abilities and knowledge alone, but also by his or her interactions with others.

Any message posted by someone as an internet message board persona is, more often than not, a window that peeks into what the real person is like. Your public disdain for your your fellow company employees just because they are happy with where they are and more than OK with their station in life speaks volumes about you as a person.

We know who you are...and we know you are a miserable person to deal with & for anyone to have to fly with. If you are truly so miserable with where you are and have such hatred for the direction SkyWest has gone, why do you stick around?
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so he speaks the truth, amen.
 
WalterSobchak said:
And what, exactly, was said in the post you quoted that was untrue or even Kool-Aid Drinker-esque in nature? SkyWest is successful, no? As is RAH...and where there is success, there will be at least a little bit of envy masked by venomous remarks by those that may have been given a choice and chose to go with other carriers instead of SKW or RAH...only to find themselves faced with uncertainty. It is most definitely not their fault...they made the best choice for them at the time they made it...but now that two companies are finding themselves as the leaders of the pack, the popular thing to do when you're facing uncertainty is to try to bring down those who face a less uncertain future.

Based strictly upon my operational interactions with JEA, I would have to say that he is quite the consummate professional...which is more than we can say for you. A professional pilot is not defined by his piloting abilities and knowledge alone, but also by his or her interactions with others.

Any message posted by someone as an internet message board persona is, more often than not, a window that peeks into what the real person is like. Your public disdain for your your fellow company employees just because they are happy with where they are and more than OK with their station in life speaks volumes about you as a person.

We know who you are...and we know you are a miserable person to deal with & for anyone to have to fly with. If you are truly so miserable with where you are and have such hatred for the direction SkyWest has gone, why do you stick around?
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Wally,
There is nothing untrue in the quote, my disgust is for the author, JEA. The disgust comes from the last union drive and his attitude towards the supporters. I stick around to work with the true professionals such as yourself, and I am working up my kool-aid swilling abilities!
PBR
 
WAVIT Inbound said:
And what airline with superior pay and work rules do you work for? If you think Skywest is successful by undercutting the industry you are crazy. Substandard work rules and wages? Compared to who? You hate SkW and RAH because they have found a way to be successful in a tough industry without giving substandard pay and work rules, simple as that.
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The pilot group voted to fly the 700 for 200 rates. Growth was promised for this concession. No better than the pilots at MESA voting for the contract they now have. You now fly any a/c up to is it 99 seats for a 200 base rate. Congratulations on your success!
 
jea said:
its so funny to me how many people hate skywest because of our sucess... the company is managed incredibly well.... stability in this industry speaks....
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Choice words and undeniable but people choose to mock in lack of realistic industry expectations. Lose the "airline pilot" sense of entitlement. Just another job trainable and "replaceable". As many economists would say, Success is measured best in times of recession not growth. Clearly we have proven that ability.
 
Ron Reber a few years ago said 'within 5 years the only regionals of consequence or size will be SkyWest and Republic.' with the formation of Inc. and all else that has happened, I'd say he wasn't too far off. who knows what will happen next.
 
BrickTop said:
...Lose the "airline pilot" sense of entitlement. Just another job trainable and "replaceable".
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I suppose just like "any other job" I can quit my position at the airline I work for, make a lateral move and have the equivalent position and pay at another airline. I guess just like "any other job" I'm required to pass medical exams and proficiency checks every 6 months or a year. Just just like "any other job" I've got multiple federal government agencies overseeing me and harassing me on a daily basis. I'm sure "any other job" would place the lives of hundreds of total strangers in your hands every single day. Does just "any other job" require you to be gone, away from home for over 300 hours a month but only compensates you for a fraction of that time? The FACT is, the Airline Pilot profession is not just "any other job". Sorry if you think I've got sense of entitlement, I think I've earned it. You better be thankful a few of us have the balls to stand up for this profession. It's sad and pathetic you don't.
 
PBRstreetgang said:
They hate SKYW because of guys like you, idiots who gloat because they had the good fortune to be hired at a stable successful company. In days of yore you wouldn't have been considered for an interview, much less hired, desperation drove your employment, enjoy it you looser!
PBR
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Did you mean loser? I hope youre drunk and not just showing off your IQ...

I would wager quite a bit on the fact that I was hired at Skywest with more experience and background flying than you were... not that it matters... I am at skywest purely because of choice and it was a good choice at that -I researched regionals for years i knew what i was getting into.... I dont gloat in my good fortune because that could turn any day.. I laugh at how miserable you are given the same situation.... my apologies to anyone who ever has to deal with you
 
MYFpilot said:
I suppose just like "any other job" I can quit my position at the airline I work for, make a lateral move and have the equivalent position and pay at another airline. I guess just like "any other job" I'm required to pass medical exams and proficiency checks every 6 months or a year. Just just like "any other job" I've got multiple federal government agencies overseeing me and harassing me on a daily basis. I'm sure "any other job" would place the lives of hundreds of total strangers in your hands every single day. Does just "any other job" require you to be gone, away from home for over 300 hours a month but only compensates you for a fraction of that time? The FACT is, the Airline Pilot profession is not just "any other job". Sorry if you think I've got sense of entitlement, I think I've earned it. You better be thankful a few of us have the balls to stand up for this profession. It's sad and pathetic you don't.
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Correct.
 
jea said:
Did you mean loser? I hope youre drunk and not just showing off your IQ...

I would wager quite a bit on the fact that I was hired at Skywest with more experience and background flying than you were... not that it matters... I am at skywest purely because of choice and it was a good choice at that -I researched regionals for years i knew what i was getting into.... I dont gloat in my good fortune because that could turn any day.. I laugh at how miserable you are given the same situation.... my apologies to anyone who ever has to deal with you
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You would use lose that wager, when I was hired I already had more hours than you list and had a type rating, and that was 10 years ago. I will bet your "research" consisted of watching through the window of terminals wishing you could be a SKYW pilot, I am not miserable, just sad, that SKYW reduced the hiring standards that allowed you employment. You see 10 years ago the standards for hiring were much higher, most of the people in my class had lots of turbine and/or 135 time and many had type ratings. I was hired with more than 1000turbine PIC and the above mentioned type, as well as lots of international experience. You just keep flying around CA, have some fun too! I am sure if something goes bad at SKYW your dad will "hire" you back into his business.
PBR
BTW, Before you get a chubby about correcting my spellin' and grammers check yours!
 
yellowfever said:
The pilot group voted to fly the 700 for 200 rates. Growth was promised for this concession. No better than the pilots at MESA voting for the contract they now have. You now fly any a/c up to is it 99 seats for a 200 base rate. Congratulations on your success!
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My point exactly. That would be why me, and people like me hold no love for Skywest. Mesa at least had an excuse when they signed that excuse for a contract.

WAVIT Inbound said:
And what airline with superior pay and work rules do you work for? If you think Skywest is successful by undercutting the industry you are crazy. Substandard work rules and wages? Compared to who? You hate SkW and RAH because they have found a way to be successful in a tough industry without giving substandard pay and work rules, simple as that.
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Re-read my post WABIT. Yes, Skywest did get to their current company position by undercutting much of the regional industry. The current Expressjet situation would be a prime example.

7dustfan said:
Have you looked at Pinnacle, Comair and Mesaba's CRJ900 payscales? Not quite as good as SkyWests but wait a minute- THOSE ARE ALL UNION. How the hell? Maybe SkyWest is a good place!?!?!?
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I have seen those rates.
Pinnacle: Imposed rates through arbitration. Currently in contract negotiations.

Comair: Product of bankruptcy, or threats of bunkruptcy.

Mesaba: Another product of bankruptcy.

Care to compare ASA 70 seat rates to SKW 70/90 seat rates? Oh wait... ASA is a union airline.....
 
OPECJet said:
My point exactly. That would be why me, and people like me hold no love for Skywest. Mesa at least had an excuse when they signed that excuse for a contract.



Re-read my post WABIT. Yes, Skywest did get to their current company position by undercutting much of the regional industry. The current Expressjet situation would be a prime example.



I have seen those rates.
Pinnacle: Imposed rates through arbitration. Currently in contract negotiations.

Comair: Product of bankruptcy, or threats of bunkruptcy.

Mesaba: Another product of bankruptcy.

Care to compare ASA 70 seat rates to SKW 70/90 seat rates? Oh wait... ASA is a union airline.....
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Uhh...ASA is Skywest. They may have ALPA but They would likely be gone without SKYW and the SKYW cleanup crew. (ie. ASA's New CEO).
 
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7dustfan said:
Uhh...ASA is Skywest. They may have ALPA but They would likely be gone without SKYW and the SKYW cleanup crew. (ie. ASA's New CEO).
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ASA is owned by Skywest. Are you trying to tell me that they are on the SKW air carrier certificate and seniority list?

Enjoy the whipsaw my friend....
 
OPECJet said:
Re-read my post WABIT. Yes, Skywest did get to their current company position by undercutting much of the regional industry. The current Expressjet situation would be a prime example.
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Everyone has skeletons in their closets. Like when Continental Express now ExpressJet were bottom feeders ($5-$9 less per hour than SkyWest) and PFTers. It is not wise to hold any pilot group on a pedestal.
 

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