NWA/DAL Article

[General Lee]

It seems like just yesterday when DAL couldn't cut it in Asia and they found that it was better to just lease their slots to Fedex

Rumor has it that we will restart JFK to NRT on a 777. We just established a 777 crew base there at JFK, and currently they are only doing BOM. We still have a few more slots we can take back too, that were used for PDX and LAX to NRT service.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

Good article. We're going to be a globe covering, ass-kicking behemoth when we're all done taking our beatings with the list integration.

DL has Europe covered, South/Central America pretty well in hand, and NW owns the Pacific. If we can build a huge West Coast gateway and get some new airplanes, this company will have very few chinks in it's armor.

I can't even put into words how much I love the naïveté of the pilot group. It's what keeps guys like me, Doug Steenland, and Dick Anderson rolling in the dough.

I was curious a few months ago whether or not the pilots of Delta would buy the scheme that Dick was selling. Posts like the one above seal the deal. Not only are the Delta pilots drinking the Kool-Aid, they are coming back for seconds and thirds.

I am going to be waiting in the terminal in a couple of years with my digital camera. I will be able to record some priceless photos of suffering and misery when the pilots see the fallout from this executive money grab....um....er.... "merger".

 

[General Lee]

I can't even put into words how much I love the naïveté of the pilot group. It's what keeps guys like me, Doug Steenland, and Dick Anderson rolling in the dough.

I was curious a few months ago whether or not the pilots of Delta would buy the scheme that Dick was selling. Posts like the one above seal the deal. Not only are the Delta pilots drinking the Kool-Aid, they are coming back for seconds and thirds.

I am going to be waiting in the terminal in a couple of years with my digital camera. I will be able to record some priceless photos of suffering and misery when the pilots see the fallout from this executive money grab....um....er.... "merger".

Frank,

It is what Airline management people do. How did Leo Mullin do? He took $14 million after doing a terrible job of navigating us through the aftermath of 9-11. How did AA management do after they had a profit of $200 million for 2006? They gave themselves $200 million in bonuses. Yippy. With all of the potential mergers out there during this down cycle, DL and NWA look like a pretty good fit, route wise. As far as the seniority merge goes, I don't think anyone wants to lose 1 single seniority number, and the only guy who will be happy is the number 1 guy. That's it, and it will always be that way.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Jmoney]

Retard!

There is no doubt that adding NWA's Asia routes will help our overall coverage of the world. We could have done it ourselves eventually, but it would have taken a lot longer. In the meantime, we are also adding more routes in Africa---besides Lagos already served along with Dakar and Joberg, we add Cape Town (South Africa), along with Cairo and Amman (not really in Africa) June 1st. This, along with our future DC9s filling in for parked RJs will help us shoot for profitability.

Bye Bye--General Lee

This is a perfect example of what a retard we are dealing with here DC-9s filling in for parked RJs...... YGTBFSM!

What lunatic would actually think carrying the same number of people as an RJ for the fuel burn of a 757 (no kidding) is a good idea?

-World Class, you walking blow-job, truly World Class!

BTW-Besides Egypt and S.Africa, what the hell is profitable anywhere else on that continent? Pure business acumen!

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

With all of the potential mergers out there during this down cycle, DL and NWA look like a pretty good fit, route wise.

Here's to you, Mr. Delta Airlines Kool-Aid drinker guy!
(cue background singer with echo hook)

Your Pacific route "prize" is alredy headed for obscurity. Narita is becoming irrelevant as more and more 777's (and 787's) come online flying right over the top of it and on to China. The inter-Asian market is going to become a huge money-loser as endless Chinese LCC start up over the next few years.

Other airlines will pick up market share to relevant and lucrative markets through natural expansion and route awards.

You just paid dearly for a buggy-whip factory, and all of your pilots are giddy.

Boggles the mind.

 

[General Lee]

Here's to you, Mr. Delta Airlines Kool-Aid drinker guy!
(cue background singer with echo hook)

Your Pacific route "prize" is alredy headed for obscurity. Narita is becoming irrelevant as more and more 777's (and 787's) come online flying right over the top of it and on to China. The inter-Asian market is going to become a huge money-loser as endless Chinese LCC start up over the next few years.

Other airlines will pick up market share to relevant and lucrative markets through natural expansion and route awards.

You just paid dearly for a buggy-whip factory, and all of your pilots are giddy.

Boggles the mind.

Thanks Frank for all of your endless insight. Our Worldwide route map is almost complete. We will be a force, and we will be a survivor. The same cannot be said about you. I can't wait to see how United and USAir pan out.

So, the other airlines will pick up market share to "relevant" and lucrative markets through NATURAL expansion and route awards??? Come on now Frank. If you want to expand these days, you have to buy it. Solid airlines don't give up routes. Natural expansion? Natural expansion takes NEW airplanes, and it looks like Boeing and others take their time with production of new airplanes. It is hard to source any airplanes that can be used on long haul INTL flights. Everyone is looking for any used 777s out there, but even that is tough because we are competing on a "world market", with foreign airlines out spending us. So, we will expand through "acquisition." Now is the time to be a part of this rapid INTL expansion. You really are an old timer it seems. Enjoy from the sidelines.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[cessnapilot]

We are getting 6 777LRs in 3 months time (Dec 31st,08 to March 31st, 09)---and I guess we were going to fly them between LAS and ATL....... We have 23 more 777LRs coming also. Any guess on where they still will go? I think your 744s will be doing cargo sooner than later from ANC too.


Bye Bye--General Lee

you could buy all the planes in the world, but that doesn't mean you can increase service as you like. Delta couldn't get into asia without nwa. Sure, you could add a flight here or there, but get real....

 

[cessnapilot]

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[~~~^~~~]

you could buy all the planes in the world, but that doesn't mean you can increase service as you like. Delta couldn't get into asia without nwa. Sure, you could add a flight here or there, but get real....

Delta owns route authority they got from Pan Am.

 

[MJ42]

This is a perfect example of what a retard we are dealing with here DC-9s filling in for parked RJs...... YGTBFSM!

What lunatic would actually think carrying the same number of people as an RJ for the fuel burn of a 757 (no kidding) is a good idea?

-World Class, you walking blow-job, truly World Class!

BTW-Besides Egypt and S.Africa, what the hell is profitable anywhere else on that continent? Pure business acumen!

Isn't RA the one who refurbished the 9 several years ago? I think he has a SHORT TERM vision to keep them flying for a few reasons. 1) They're paid for. 2) They carry anywhere from 24 to 48 more than the 76 seaters(and a lot more than the 50 seaters...including first class which =more revenue). 3) They are a viable short term solution, even with high fuel prices, until the next 100-130 seat aircraft comes out. 4) Although maybe not the most comfortable aircraft, Pax still like them better because of the full size cabin.

The 9's time is obviously limited, but GL's statement is not "retarded".

Parking the older -30 series is more realistic, but 50 seaters are gonna go quicker in my opinion.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

BFD,

Why have they not used it? Because you can't just go somewhere and say we are delduh fly us. I find it hilarious every airline crew hangout in nrt and a few other locales has delduh stickers plastered on the bathroom walls and delduh pilot business cards tacked to the walls. You don't hardly see any nwa stickers/business cards and maybe a few from ual. One would think that delduh was a significant player in the pacific by all the stickers and cards in the bars. Face it, y'all are non player in Asia and Anderson knows it, as he was at nwa while y'all tried and lost. Y'all got your asses handed to you by ual and nwa and he knows that while you have a pretty good overall network dal will never amount to anything in the orient without a combo with nwa or ual. I think that the overall combo will make a formidable airline but the sli has to be fair. If not it will be a dysfunctional airline with almost half of the pilots pulling the other direction preventing the full potential of the merger.

Delta owns route authority they got from Pan Am.

 

[GogglesPisano]

delduh .

Quite the witty fellow, aren't you?

 

[~~~^~~~]

Why have they not used it?

Y'all got your asses handed to you by ual and nwa and he knows that while you have a pretty good overall network dal will never amount to anything in the orient without a combo with nwa or ual.

I think that the overall combo will make a formidable airline but the sli has to be fair. If not it will be a dysfunctional airline with almost half of the pilots pulling the other direction preventing the full potential of the merger.

Cobra:

Now your asking me to defend Ron Allen's & Leo Mullin's stewardship of Delta, something I can't do. Delta sold off the equipment needed to fly those routes and now wants to re-deploy your equipment to fly Delta's route authority more profitably that NWA can from their hub structure. NWA gives us a 3 year head start on a task we could do with new aircraft later (in a more competitive environment).

Being a "first mover" has been a big part of getting Delta's revenue picture back in line.

Internally, Delta wants to execute their stand alone plan. The owners of Delta want a merger and NWA management wants a merger. So a merger it will be.

In about any scenario I would be your First Officer. I hope you decide to pull the same direction as everyone else. It will make for a more pleasant place to work.

 

[Fly4hire]

I hope you decide to pull the same direction as everyone else. It will make for a more pleasant place to work.

Absolutely. Please consider that Moak is doing his best to make NWA pilots second class citizens before we even join forces.

NW pilots are not stalling the deal, they are simply not going to willingly participate in their own career slaughter. I would expect you to do the same.

DAL is 20% larger than NWA, and I always expected to lose some ground, and the DAL pilots to gain some by that alone. Other than we are very much equals. I expect each MEC to try and do the best for their pilots - the last "take it or leave it position" (and all previous positions) from Moak far exceeded any decent sense of "fair" - it was far more than a 20% advantage, and got worse over 5, 10, and 15 years.

What Moak has proposed is NOT even remotely fair and equitable.

If the shoe were on the other foot you guys would probably be burning tires in the terminals.

 

[General Lee]

BFD,

Why have they not used it? Because you can't just go somewhere and say we are delduh fly us. I find it hilarious every airline crew hangout in nrt and a few other locales has delduh stickers plastered on the bathroom walls and delduh pilot business cards tacked to the walls. You don't hardly see any nwa stickers/business cards and maybe a few from ual. One would think that delduh was a significant player in the pacific by all the stickers and cards in the bars. Face it, y'all are non player in Asia and Anderson knows it, as he was at nwa while y'all tried and lost. Y'all got your asses handed to you by ual and nwa and he knows that while you have a pretty good overall network dal will never amount to anything in the orient without a combo with nwa or ual. I think that the overall combo will make a formidable airline but the sli has to be fair. If not it will be a dysfunctional airline with almost half of the pilots pulling the other direction preventing the full potential of the merger.

Fins is correct. When we retired 2000 of our senior pilots, we also retired our MD11s, 767-200s, and a whole boat load of 737s. This is something you guys fail to bring up in your arguments. While we all did move up some numbers during those retirements, we also lost a lot of captain seats. That would happen to you if you lost all of your DC9s and 742s, but instead you "hope" that some of our guys get to do that for you. Thanks NORTH WORST.


Bye Bye--General Lee