Wacky new take-off procedure at Pinnacle

[PA44Jockey]

See this kind of stuff was not an issue when people actually had to have some kind of time to come to an airline. Now we have to cater to the lowest common denominator (200 hr fo's). It is remarkable to me that a so called trained professional can't figure out to only rotate to 10 degrees and let the airplane accelerate.

Granted I don't fly with FO's all day, because I am one, but I fly with quite a few CA's that will rotate and be in the flight director in a blink of your eye.

At Comair the most junior CA was hired with a 2002 seniority number. Maybe Dec of 2003 now, but still. Can't chalk it up to the newbies.

 

[viper548]

Do any airlines other than skywest have some procedure having to use wing anti ice during taxi?

 

[flyin4jsus]

air wisconsin is doing the same with setting the pitch to 10 deg. and with the wing anti-ice as well.

 

[Terry Hunter]

Do any airlines other than skywest have some procedure having to use wing anti ice during taxi?

I heard that is a new revision coming into play soon too...

 

[PCL_128]

....whatever happened to aviating? Procedures to correct procedures....We are going to procedure ourselves to death...This is what happens when procedures become more important that aviating....

It's simple....fly the d@mn airplane.....

Amen, Joe. Amen.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Amen, Joe. Amen.

....there is hope if we can agree....:beer:

Recipe flying has replaced aviating......

 

[RiddleEagle18]

This new procedure is due to AD 2008-08-06.

Apparently this is due to some CRJ's that had uncommanded roll during take off because of some snow/ice on leading surface or just behind the leading surface of the wing.

The revised takeoff limitation is to reduce high pitch attitudes during rotation. As stated our proceedure is to limit it to approx. 10 degrees.

See the AD docket on www.regulations.gov and you can send comments to the rulemakers.

cr

Are you guys actually limited to 10 degrees or is that just the initial pitch target.

At comair it is the initial pitch target at 3 degrees per second but if that results in anything over v2 +10-20 then we are to adjust the pitch to bring it back to v2+10-20. Of course all while not using anything more than 3 degrees per second.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Are you guys actually limited to 10 degrees or is that just the initial pitch target.

At comair it is the initial pitch target at 3 degrees per second but if that results in anything over v2 +10-20 then we are to adjust the pitch to bring it back to v2+10-20. Of course all while not using anything more than 3 degrees per second.

YGTBSM! Whatever happened to "taking off".......

Do we have a procedure yet for walking out to the aircraft? I didn't know rotating was an algebraic formula......

 

[PCL_128]

Honestly guys, it's really not that damned difficult to take off an RJ. Rotate smoothly to about 12 degrees pitch and hold it. All these frickin' numbers and procedures are making things more complicated than just flying the damned airplane.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Honestly guys, it's really not that damned difficult to take off an RJ. Rotate smoothly to about 12 degrees pitch and hold it. All these frickin' numbers and procedures are making things more complicated than just flying the damned airplane.

....that's enough common sense....we can't have that.....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

What CRJ do you fly Joe? The 200 or 900?

 

[PCL_128]

An airplane is an airplane. Well, except for that french crap that you're driving around nowadays.

 

[JoeMerchant]

What CRJ do you fly Joe? The 200 or 900?

.....is the CRJ the Space Ship Enterprise....or is it an airplane? Taking off just shouldn't be that big a deal....Heck even PCL128 agrees.....and he flew the thing....

You can't replace aviating with recipe flying.....Procedures have replaced skill, experience, and common sense....Might as well put a monkey up there......

 

[JoeMerchant]

An airplane is an airplane. Well, except for that french crap that you're driving around nowadays.

....hey it's one of the few good things to come out of France....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

This message is hidden because JoeMerchant is on your ignore list.

Decided to put you on the list Joe.... maybe later I'll think about taking you off...

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