Have you ever had a captain (or FO) that makes up his own procedures?

[Rally]

This one should be interesting. I hear all kinds of stories of captains (or FO's) that like to make up their own procedures and have these (at least in their mind) rationalizations for making up their own procedures. Anyone?

 

[SiuDude]

Moss captinz fink dat dey is Supaman and never use da O2 when the FO leaves the cockpit so dey can flirt wid da honeyzz.... Bouyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

 

[Rally]

LOL.....

I was talking to FAA inspector (maint) that was jumpseating one of the pilots leaves the cockpit to go use the lav. No mask on the captain. He goes "guys I'm not going to do anything but you have 110 people behind you what do you think would happen if we had a rapid?" Enough said. Why would anyone do that with a FAA inspector in the jumpseat?

 

[pilotbrain]

What would happen??? The same as if both pilots were up there. He would done his mask and select 100 percent....he just wouldn't have to establish crew communication. That is the dumbest rule I have ever heard of....I pull it out and put it on my lap.

I hear it now....The mask, I pull the mask out and put it on my lap.

 

[PCL_128]

What would happen??? The same as if both pilots were up there. He would done his mask and select 100 percent....he just wouldn't have to establish crew communication. That is the dumbest rule I have ever heard of....I pull it out and put it on my lap.

I hate to agree with the HoJets pilot, but this is the most absurd rule in the book.

 

[pilotbrain]

Would like to go on public record of saying that I am not a GoJet Pilot....A couple of dudes that used to be GoJet had abused my passcode...and I admit I let them use it but it was before FlightInfo went to a 10 dollar fee...I fly a MU-2 out of SLC.

 

[atlcrashpad]

This one should be interesting. I hear all kinds of stories of captains (or FO's) that like to make up their own procedures and have these (at least in their mind) rationalizations for making up their own procedures. Anyone?

Aint dat da Kapitan's rite? I thought da Kapitan can does watt he wants ta....... Bouyyyyyyyyyyy.....

 

[PCL_128]

Would like to go on public record of saying that I am not a GoJet Pilot....A couple of dudes that used to be GoJet had abused my passcode...and I admit I let them use it but it was before FlightInfo went to a 10 dollar fee...I fly a MU-2 out of SLC.

Sounds fishy, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

 

[CA1900]

I hear it now....The mask, I pull the mask out and put it on my lap.

Honestly, you'd be better off leaving it in the stow box if you're not going to put it on. If you get a rapid decompression and the mask slips to the floor (not unlikely in that scenario), you're going to be wasting time trying to find the hose and then the mask on teh end of it. At least in the box, you know right where it is.

 

[Capi_Cafre']

I hate to agree with the HoJets pilot, but this is the most absurd rule in the book.

I'm guessing that an explosive decompression at altitude might change your thinking on that. One of those things that almost certainly will never happen, but if it does, watch out. Anyone who's sure that he wouldn't be a bit discombobulated as the TUC clock started to count down is dreaming IMO. Besides, I always feel better after a few minutes of O2-it's as close to an antidote for today's scheduling practices as I've ever seen.

 

[Rally]

Rules are rules. And the point is that you'd actually do that with a FAA inspector in the seat. By the book when a fed is in the seat. Rules are there for a reason.

 

[pilotbrain]

Honestly, you'd be better off leaving it in the stow box if you're not going to put it on. If you get a rapid decompression and the mask slips to the floor (not unlikely in that scenario), you're going to be wasting time trying to find the hose and then the mask on teh end of it. At least in the box, you know right where it is.

U make a good point....It could also go out the window I suppose....I only flew lears and no one ever put the masks on for fear of how dirty they could be...I always put it on my lap just in case...luckily now I never go much above FL200.

 

[Rally]

Would like to go on public record of saying that I am not a GoJet Pilot....A couple of dudes that used to be GoJet had abused my passcode...and I admit I let them use it but it was before FlightInfo went to a 10 dollar fee...I fly a MU-2 out of SLC.

So flightinfo has passcodes now? Wow can I get a few twenties out of the ATM? Actually what would be better is getting about 20 one dollar bills so I can tip you (20 pilots) ....But you probably have already done that for a living.

I'm JUST JOKING!

 

[pilotbrain]

So flightinfo has passcodes now? Wow can I get a few twenties out of the ATM? Actually what would be better is getting about 20 one dollar bills so I can tip you (20 pilots) ....But you probably have already done that for a living.

I'm JUST JOKING!

Yep....they each paid me big money to get in under my password....then they got upset when they saw that flightinfo was asking ten dollars for a lifetime membership....that was when they found out they could have had their own membership for free.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Rules are there for a reason.

Do you abide by ALL rules? Do you always drive the speed limit? I don't know anyone that follows ALL rules...most just pick the ones they agree with......

 

[Rally]

So what rules do you pick and choose? No annual ok lets go flying? Lets cut into the min reserve? (planned) Lets takeoff over gross? Lets go anyways even though the AD's are complied with? I have not flown in 120 days but lets go do a cross country with 3 passengers in the back of 182?

The point was.....FAA inspector in the jumpseat, the captain should have known better. And this was'nt a RJ or a TP it was a 757! Geez.

 

[JoeMerchant]

So what rules do you pick and choose? No annual ok lets go flying? Lets cut into the min reserve? (planned) Lets takeoff over gross? Lets go anyways even though the AD's are complied with? I have not flown in 120 days but lets go do a cross country with 3 passengers in the back of 182?

The point was.....FAA inspector in the jumpseat, the captain should have known better. And this was'nt a RJ or a TP it was a 757! Geez.

I agree that it was stupid in the jumpseat...But I don't know anyone that follows every rule the letter.....

Sterile cockpit? Write-ups? Regarding weight....I know many people that come up with kids or redo fuel to get a jumpseater on....

How about driving rules? Do you drive the speed limit all the time? If not why is that any different?

I just like giving the "follow the rules" folks a hard time....I have yet to meet one that follows every rule to the letter.....

 

[WIPilot]

On the after start check on the Saab one of the items is condition levers: Max.

We were going to reposition away from the gate and I called "Condition Levers" and the Captain called "Min" and proceeded to have them in the min position.

I am guessing he did this out of the thought of not blowing the rampers around?

Now I am pretty new I admit, but as far as I have ever known or read while you are in bottom governing it doesn't matter where you have it in the Min-Max range, it will still be the same result.

I didn't say anything about it...but I always have thought it was kind of weird.

 

[Rally]

I agree that it was stupid in the jumpseat...But I don't know anyone that follows every rule the letter.....

Sterile cockpit? Write-ups? Regarding weight....I know many people that come up with kids or redo fuel to get a jumpseater on....

How about driving rules? Do you drive the speed limit all the time? If not why is that any different?

I just like giving the "follow the rules" folks a hard time....I have yet to meet one that follows every rule to the letter.....

Well apparently you don't....But (and I should become a mod) the thread was about, "Have you ever flown with a captain or first officer that made up their own procedures and rationalized it." The rationalization is what is funny. So I'm guessing you are one of those captains or first officers so lets here your rational.

Bye

 

[RP170]

Yep....they each paid me big money to get in under my password....

That's some funny $hit. Big money, huh? How much is big money? $11?

 

[DrewBlows]

The point was.....FAA inspector in the jumpseat, the captain should have known better. And this was'nt a RJ or a TP it was a 757! Geez.

What's the difference? You think idiots only fly RJs? I have news for you...

 

[tathepilot]

@ SIUDUDE bad, impersonation of Flavor....

@ PILOTBRAIN here is to airing it out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8gKL1UYOXE

 

[Soverytired]

Rules are rules. And the point is that you'd actually do that with a FAA inspector in the seat. By the book when a fed is in the seat. Rules are there for a reason.

I agree. The immediate aftermath of a high altitude decompression will mean lots of alarms going off, extreme cold, frozen over windows, massive windstorm if it was a cockpit window that shattered, etc. No one is going to be thinking clearly for the first few seconds, and as short panic would be a perfectly normal reaction. Best to have it on, just in case, since it's only you up there.

Plus . . . you never know who's looking up from the back when the door opens to let the other guy in . . . .

 

[ual321]

I'm guessing that an explosive decompression at altitude might change your thinking on that. One of those things that almost certainly will never happen, but if it does, watch out. Anyone who's sure that he wouldn't be a bit discombobulated as the TUC clock started to count down is dreaming IMO. Besides, I always feel better after a few minutes of O2-it's as close to an antidote for today's scheduling practices as I've ever seen.

Capi, your right, but I don't think some of these kids will listen (pilotbrain, PCL_128).

The 3 min mark in the video is pretty telling.

With two or more people up front, hopefully someone will get there mask on quickly and most importantly, properly. When one of you recover (45 to 60 seconds later) fly the airplane.

Now with one person at the controls......hhhmm ...well lets just follow the rules ok.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8ooGY8Jbqw&feature=related

 

[Boris Badenov]

pilotbrain is a moo driver out of SLC now? Must be for ACT. Who should I send my regards to when I see the ACT guy on Monday?

 

[Kerveball]

LOL.....

I was talking to FAA inspector (maint) that was jumpseating one of the pilots leaves the cockpit to go use the lav. No mask on the captain. He goes "guys I'm not going to do anything but you have 110 people behind you what do you think would happen if we had a rapid?" Enough said. Why would anyone do that with a FAA inspector in the jumpseat?

Why would an FO do that to his Captain. The Captain must have been a real A-hole.

 

[Speedtape]

I agree. The immediate aftermath of a high altitude decompression will mean lots of alarms going off, extreme cold, frozen over windows, massive windstorm if it was a cockpit window that shattered, etc. No one is going to be thinking clearly for the first few seconds, and as short panic would be a perfectly normal reaction. Best to have it on, just in case, since it's only you up there.

Plus . . . you never know who's looking up from the back when the door opens to let the other guy in . . . .

Apparently, they have not seen the decompression video that used to be shown in most recurrent ground training sessions. It is quite sobering to watch, especially when you see that test pilot's eyes roll up in the back of his head!

I guess some people don't understand why there are rules, regs, and policies. Over time, they have usually been created because of an accident, incident, loss of human life, and some idiot saying, "hey, watch this!"

Maybe, that's why they put pins in handgrenades, a safety on a gun, seat belts in cars, and require pilots to don an oxygen mask
when another crewmember leaves the cockpit above 250. It's about the passengers in the back, people on the ground, and the investors that gave you that $25 million airplane to fly! It's not about you! They pay you to fly the airplane by the rules, anything less is gross negligence. Be a Professional, follow the rules!

You can puff your hair up later before you stroll through the concourse showing everyone you are a pilot!

 

[Rally]

I say we call Payne Stewart and ask......oh wait....

 

[Flyer1015]

I pull it out and put it on my lap.

Whoa, easy there Tiger.....

 

[bknight_c50]

Do you abide by ALL rules? Do you always drive the speed limit? I don't know anyone that follows ALL rules...most just pick the ones they agree with......

Do I ever speed?...Yes...But would I speed knowing there's a cop following right behind me ready to bust me? No...Not following the rules when you know there's a fed on the jumpseat watching to make sure that you are following the rules is retarded...If you get in trouble for it, then you deserve it...