Delta pilots want joint contract and parity

[NuGuy]

All that is well and good too. But why isn't our MEC publishing any of the SLI offers. I want to know exactly what we turned down.

Agreed. Lets see what all the hub bub is about.

Oh yea, HEY DELTA GUYS, what is your limit on 51-70 seat RJs right now? Pre-TA?


Nu

 

[filejw]

Not to worry if the DALMEC doesn't help us I'm sure "BOB" will soon as it's a merged airline.LOL

 

[slapstick]

In Hauenstein we trust.

 

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Heyas FDJ,

If the DAL MEC REALLY wants to make up some lost good will (and I call on the NWA MEC to do the same), why don't they publish their last "final offer" with respect to the SLI.

Nu

Howdy Nu:

It has been widely accounted for that the "final offer" was relative seniority. You already know this. Why do you ask again?

It is not prejudicial in any event.

BTW - Does anyone know if LOA19 goes down in flames, would it stop, or significantly impede, a merger?

 

[NuGuy]

Howdy Nu:

It has been widely accounted for that the "final offer" was relative seniority. You already know this. Why do you ask again?

It is not prejudicial in any event.

BTW - Does anyone know if LOA19 goes down in flames, would it stop, or significantly impede, a merger?

Heyas Fins,

No, we don't know this because no one has the exact wording of the offer, and all we have is the word of the brain trust here. Not good enough...lets see the actual language.

Besides, who cares if it's not prejudicial? I mean, if it was such a fair deal and all....

Now, how many of those 70 seaters can you fly under the current langauge?

Nu

 

[Bill Nelson]

It sounds to me like the NWA guys turned down an immediate 18% raise fighting for unreasonable seniority integration and the Delta guys decided this thing was moving forward with or without them so they made a deal with DAL management. Good move from my prospective.

NWA pilots will either get on board or get steam rolled by an arbitrator if they push it that far. Better to get while the getting is good than to act unreasonable (as NWA pilots have a history of doing) and end up like the USAIR guys.

Wake up America! (to quote Earl Pitts)

 

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Now, how many of those 70 seaters can you fly under the current langauge?

Nu

I doubt there ever was any formal language to the SLI discussions, there was no need since there was no agreement. The DAL concept was simple and straight forward, relative seniority.

What is weird is that what your MEC reported is disputed by people with first hand knowledge. They think that your own negotiators were not playing completely straight with your MEC, not that it is any of my business. Just strange....

On your RJ question I think 200, but, the company is going to add all of your's and then there is a 3 RJ to 1 new mainline ratio at DAL (I think - it is late and it will have to be looked up again later - others have found online links to the PWA).

I don't like it either.... hope I'm wrong.

 

[Occam's Razor]

From the Delta MEC resolution AI 08-S09A passed on April 12, 2008:

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED the Delta MEC welcomes the Northwest pilots as partners in the building of the new merged airline and looks forward to working with the Northwest MEC to bring about the rapid completion of a new joint agreement to take effect on the closing of the corporate transaction providing immediate parity in rates of pay and further providing for a rapid completion of a fair and equitable integrated seniority list to take effect on the effective date of the new joint agreement....

Could you please post the actual language of the LOA regarding a "parity trigger"?

I've written enough MEC resolutions to understand this one. "...to bring about..." means "try", not "will".

I hear the words. I'm watching the feet.

 

[JAM-BRO]

So NWA guys wait 2-3 yrs for a pay raise... That is once again, real FAIR, when the new entity enjoys our profits/revenues... Great way to start!!!!

From the Delta MEC resolution AI 08-S09A passed on April 12, 2008:

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED the Delta MEC welcomes the Northwest pilots as partners in the building of the new merged airline and looks forward to working with the Northwest MEC to bring about the rapid completion of a new joint agreement to take effect on the closing of the corporate transaction providing immediate parity in rates of pay and further providing for a rapid completion of a fair and equitable integrated seniority list to take effect on the effective date of the new joint agreement....

 

[Occam's Razor]

So NWA guys wait 2-3 yrs for a pay raise... That is once again, real FAIR, when the new entity enjoys our profits/revenues... Great way to start!!!!

We could have SOC in 4 months. Anti-Trust was a tougher sell to the DoJ. This will be about 66% of the effort.

We could have a List within a month if both sides are willing to either:

1. Hunker-down and get it done.
2. Frame an expedited arbitration process.

All we need to do it is "want to".

Both sides will hunker-down for a week to flesh out options and strategy.

 

[~~~^~~~]

So NWA guys wait 2-3 yrs for a pay raise... That is once again, real FAIR, when the new entity enjoys our profits/revenues... Great way to start!!!!

I hear you.

 

[~~~^~~~]

All we need to do it is "want to".

Both sides will hunker-down for a week to flesh out options and strategy.

Is this a response to the Olive Branch that I heard went out today?

 

[Schwanker]

From the Delta MEC resolution AI 08-S09A passed on April 12, 2008:

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED the Delta MEC welcomes the Northwest pilots as partners in the building of the new merged airline and looks forward to working with the Northwest MEC to bring about the rapid completion of a new joint agreement to take effect on the closing of the corporate transaction providing immediate parity in rates of pay and further providing for a rapid completion of a fair and equitable integrated seniority list to take effect on the effective date of the new joint agreement....

100% BS and lip-service. DALPA has lost all faith with NWA guys. This BS is just a feeble attempt at saving face. Actions speak louder than words, and DALPA actions show them in bed with management in an attempt to screw over another pilot union. In fact, these words could have just as easily been printed by management. Sounds just like them. It will bite them back--guaranteed. Their weak a#$ excuses don't cut it-period.

We'll see how efficient this airline operates in the coming months if the BS doesn't get reversed ASAP. They complained about last summers staffing problem. I think we may be even leaner this summer. Not pretty.

DALPA, NWA pilots aren't your partners. You already F'd that one up! Save your welcomes for our EMT.

Schwanker

 

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I do not understand the NWA gnashing of teeth. (especially after reading all of LOA 19, it isn't great and it is clearly designed as a short term fix to set a floor for a subsequent joint agreement) As you learn more, or as the LOA leaks out, I think you will agree this was much ado about nothing.

But still; how could the DAL MEC represent you to DAL management?

 

[JAM-BRO]

True statement, but is there willingness on BOTH sides?

You would think RA would push hard for this...

We could have SOC in 4 months. Anti-Trust was a tougher sell to the DoJ. This will be about 66% of the effort.

We could have a List within a month if both sides are willing to either:

1. Hunker-down and get it done.
2. Frame an expedited arbitration process.

All we need to do it is "want to".

Both sides will hunker-down for a week to flesh out options and strategy.