NWALPA's response to it's members.....

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Excellent, Excellent point Tom

...waiting for either MEC to pick up the phone and start a "do over."

 

[N2264J]

Re: NWALPA's response to it's members...

Unfortunately, the Delta pilot leadership rejected arbitration, whether expedited or not, as a means to resolve the seniority list dispute. From that point, Delta management, the Delta pilot leadership and Northwest management chose a different path. NWA management proposed a traditional merger to Delta management. Then Delta management entered into bilateral negotiations with the representatives of the Delta MEC. The representatives of the Northwest pilots were excluded from the negotiations. Inexplicably, the Delta pilot leadership reversed its position...

Oh my!

So Razor, tell us what that's like when your MEC is excluded from negotiations that affect your interests.

How do you feel?

 

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N2264J:

The NWA MEC was not excluded from negotiations. They just reached a "disagreement," instead of an agreement.

Also, the NWA MEC's letter is not completely accurate. Delta only refused to enter expedited arbitration based on their last table position. They did not (and maybe can not) refuse normal arbitration.

The difference is that the expedited arbitration started at DAL's final position and NWA's initial position, which heavily slants the table in favor of the NWA side if the arbitrator splits the difference.

This is just basic fairness. The Delta side could not go forward with such a concessionary position as an opener.

I'm hoping the MEC's get on the phone with each other.

 

[Morning Wood]

This might make a good news headline on the heels of all the maintenance problems (which are nothing but posturing by the FAA) and the endless stories about delays and people being left on airplanes for hours. I frankly don't think the DOJ is going to approve this unless a bunch of assests get sold off.

The other reality is that the two boards of directors and the government will decide the outcome, not any of the employee groups.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Oh my!

So Razor, tell us what that's like when your MEC is excluded from negotiations that affect your interests.

How do you feel?

Funny you should mention that! The only thing both sides agreed to was that you were a whiney loser. (Yes, by name)

 

[PuffDriver]

This might make a good news headline on the heels of all the maintenance problems (which are nothing but posturing by the FAA) and the endless stories about delays and people being left on airplanes for hours. I frankly don't think the DOJ is going to approve this unless a bunch of assests get sold off.

The other reality is that the two boards of directors and the government will decide the outcome, not any of the employee groups.

If I were to venture a guess, I would guess that it has already been given the go ahead from the DOJ. I mean, the announcement, the website, and the Delta Chair's letter all came out within 5 minutes of each other. That was no accident. The grunt work has been done. This deal has been 1 1/2 years in the making

 

[PuffDriver]

Funny you should mention that! The only thing both sides agreed to was that you were a whiney loser. (Yes, by name)

Agreed. I raise you that 100 seaters with anything but a NWA or Delta a$$ in them is a no vote. Still haven't seen the language.

 

[PCL_128]

Excellent, Excellent point Tom

...waiting for either MEC to pick up the phone and start a "do over."

Very hard to do now that DALPA has basically given the finger to the NWA MEC. This was just really bad politics on Lee's part. He should know better. NWA pilots will still be pissed off about this 30 years from now.

 

[N2264J]

Re: NWALPA's response to it's members...

The NWA MEC was not excluded from negotiations. They just reached a "disagreement," instead of an agreement.

Also, the NWA MEC's letter is not completely accurate.

So the NWA MEC who routinely excluded Mesaba, Compass and Pinnacle pilots from negotiations that affected their interests is not being totally upfront when crying foul about the NWA MEC being excluded? Gee, imagine that.

I'm sorry, this is like watching a snake eat a rat. It's ruplusive to witness but it's so fascinating, you can't turn your eyes away.

The good news is: ALPA once again has a golden opportunity to fix all it's scope problems in that management is somewhat receptive to close this deal.

The bad news: ALPA doesn't have a friggen clue.

 

[N2264J]

Re: NWALPA's response to it's members...

Funny you should mention that! The only thing both sides agreed to was that you were a whiney loser. (Yes, by name)

Something in your eye?

Here's a tissue.

 

[Dizel8]

h goody...wonder if this cat-fight is going to get as good as the USAirways one...

I think it will be better, much better!

777's vs 747's, 76's vs 75's, DC-9's vs MD's and 73's. This has sequel written all over it!

 

[Occam's Razor]

So the NWA MEC who routinely excluded Mesaba, Compass and Pinnacle pilots from negotiations that affected their interests is not being totally upfront when crying foul about the NWA MEC being excluded? Gee, imagine that.

Imagine a flow thru without participation by the MSA or CPZ pilots. Imagine it, because in reality...they were involved. The Mesaba pilots ratified it. I know that doesn't mesh with your Pluto-based imagination, but reality is often like that.

I sorry, this is like watching a snake eat a rat. It's ruplusive to witness but it's so facinating, you can't turn your eyes away.

Agree! And if anybody knows how snakes and rats behave...it's you.

The good news is: ALPA once again has a golden opportunity to fix all it's scope problems in that management is somewhat receptive to close this deal.

Hopefully it will result in another stupid lawsuit by the RJDC! Every so often, we need the whiners to experience a judicial smackdown, to remind them that they are losers.

 

[Fly4hire]

Agreed. I raise you that 100 seaters with anything but a NWA or Delta a$$ in them is a no vote. Still haven't seen the language.

That would be a disastrous miscalculation if they went that direction. Hope it was just FI rumors and nothing else.

RA even said in the conference call there is a substantial future in the 100 seat market.

 

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If I were to venture a guess, I would guess that it has already been given the go ahead from the DOJ.

That is a very good guess. Apparently the anti-trust exemption recieved just days ago was a part of the puzzle.

 

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Very hard to do now that DALPA has basically given the finger to the NWA MEC. This was just really bad politics on Lee's part. He should know better. NWA pilots will still be pissed off about this 30 years from now.

I'm not sure where you get that. Why did anyone expect the Delta MEC to sit on its hands and not make use of the tools available to prepare for NWA's arbitration?

The Delta pilots negotiated with Delta management to secure benefits of a merger and set a floor on our upcoming joint contract when the NWA guys come on board. It could be that the joint contract is negotiated before LOA 19 takes effect. It is my hope that LOA19 is replaced by a better joint agreement.

Of course you have my old arguement that Prater will have to sign off on Delta's bargaining, but you and I are not changing sides of the table on that debate, are we? I've been arguing for years that ALPA needed reforms to prevent just this sort of end run that results in a public fight.

I'm hearing the NWA pilots are distrubuting "F U /^\" bag stickers, I hope that is not the case.