HA Interviewing??

[ChinaClipper]

I hear HA has interviewed a bunch of people for the expansion of the inter-island flying. Any idea of how it will all shake out? Any preferential interviewing? All AQ guys or can a nyone else get their hat in the ring? Thanks....

 

[charterpuke]

I hope they hire every one of the Aloha pilots that wants a job with them before anyone else.

 

[Helos2Galaxy]

And they should...

They know the routes, hubs, lifestyle, etc.

 

[AQ PILOT]

Rumor has it they are scoopin' a large portion of AQs instructors first. After that more of a free for all. Some junior junior FOs that were still on probation at AQ have gotten the call. Seems to be more of a who ya know kinda thing.

Good on HAL... I hope you guys just DOMINATE now that we are out of your way. You guys done done it right ;0)

 

[LearLove]

ditto - no one off the street until all aloha guys get a shot.

 

[jmt]

Anybody knows how many AQ pilots got interviewed so far?

 

[Freight Dog]

I'll echo AQ... HAL does have a world class operation and they did well.

What did Hawaiian have that Aloha didn't?

Same people - neighbors, family, local crowd.
Old airplanes up until 2001 just like Aloha.

But hey... a little vision, some funding, and they've become a world class airline.

Could have been us... and for all the bellyaching Banmiller is doing on the Capitol Hill about Mesa, if he truly wants to know why a 61-year airline folded, he doesn't need to look further than in the mirror.

 

[Dan Roman]

I'll echo AQ... HAL does have a world class operation and they did well.

What did Hawaiian have that Aloha didn't?

Same people - neighbors, family, local crowd.
Old airplanes up until 2001 just like Aloha.

But hey... a little vision, some funding, and they've become a world class airline.

Could have been us... and for all the bellyaching Banmiller is doing on the Capitol Hill about Mesa, if he truly wants to know why a 61-year airline folded, he doesn't need to look further than in the mirror.

I think you have summed it up well, I have to wonder though, I don't think Zander was all that visionary. I can't help but think the deference may lie in the fact that AQ was privatly owned and the Chings/Ings were unwilling to part with their own money to expand like HAL did, whereas HAL was not privately held so no individual had to risk his own money, it was the stockholders money the was at stake. We also did well to get Dunkerly at the time we did.
Good luck to you guys, a lot of AQ people are being interviewed and I'm sure they'll make up the lions share of new hires. This is all happening fast, so a lot of rumors are floating around. Near as I can tell, they don't want to hire ONLY AQ folks as that would be unfair to the folks that have been applying and waiting to get an interview. They don't want to exclude any one type of applicant. That said, it sounds like we could be hiring about 125 over the next year. They are starting with a pool of 40 for two classes of 12.
They are working very hard to get aircraft, both inter-island and trans-pac. They do have a lot of expansion plans and not just increasing west coast and inter-island.
Best of luck to you guys.

 

[BigShotXJTdrvr]

Is inter-island the junior flying? Or does the long haul stuff go junior too, because some guys just like being home more often? Does HA hire into any aircraft? Is there still a SEA domicile, and if so, is it junior or senior?

Just curious about future growth with all the expansion news. I would bet not much of a real chance to get an interview until AQ guys get a call.

Thanks for any info.

 

[Freight Dog]

Well, most AQ guys with the exception of handful were given, thanks but no thanks letters.

Your best bet to get hired at HAL is if you have some relatives or several good connections there.

It's a great company if you can get in...

 

[HAL]

Is inter-island the junior flying? Or does the long haul stuff go junior too, because some guys just like being home more often? Does HA hire into any aircraft? Is there still a SEA domicile, and if so, is it junior or senior?

Just curious about future growth with all the expansion news. I would bet not much of a real chance to get an interview until AQ guys get a call.

Thanks for any info.

At the moment, the 717 has become the junior aircraft, although that wasn't true in the past. I suspect you'd be able to bid for either aircraft within a year of being hired now, especially since there are strong rumors of more 767's coming. It's a matter of lifestyle choice - 717 is home every night, but you fly a lot more legs and usually more days per month. The 767 pays more, but you could be gone for several days in a row, and end up flying a lot of red-eyes. We hire into whichever aircraft has open spots after the vacancy bid moves the current pilots around.

SEA is still our other domicile, and is very senior. The junior FO there right now was hired in late '99, and has over 100 people junior to him on the overall seniority list. Hopefully there will be some movement in SEA as the expansion continues (for the large number of us who want SEA but can't hold it).

Well, most AQ guys with the exception of handful were given, thanks but no thanks letters.

Your best bet to get hired at HAL is if you have some relatives or several good connections there.

It's a great company if you can get in...

Those letters were a screw-up by our HR department. They didn't mean that they failed the application process (for most of them), but rather that they just hadn't been selected to come in for interviews yet. HR sent out the wrong letters. The new process is very different for us, being HR driven instead of flight-division driven, and we're still trying to come to grips with how it works. The one class we've had so far was 8 ex-AQ, and 4 others. I'd expect the classes coming up to have about the same ratio.

Yes, you still have to have some sort of internal recommendation to get a shot at an interview, but we have such a huge tidal wave of applications we have to weed them out somehow.

HAL

 

[HAL]

Two new vacancy bids posted tonight. A total of 64 newhires coming onboard by December. That's 76 newhires this year.

22 new slots to cover the expanding flying with our current fleet, and 42 new slots for additional interisland aircraft (either MD-82 or 717; to be decided soon).

It sucks in most parts of this industry right now, but at the moment, we seem to be hanging in there and doing OK. With a little luck, we should be looking good as the industry settles out.

HAL

 

[jmt]

Two new vacancy bids posted tonight. A total of 64 newhires coming onboard by December. That's 76 newhires this year.

22 new slots to cover the expanding flying with our current fleet, and 42 new slots for additional interisland aircraft (either MD-82 or 717; to be decided soon).

It sucks in most parts of this industry right now, but at the moment, we seem to be hanging in there and doing OK. With a little luck, we should be looking good as the industry settles out.

HAL

Great news for Hawaiian! Hal, do you have any idea when classes will start? I know they're doing interview now. Do you know how many are in the pool now?

 

[HAL]

Great news for Hawaiian! Hal, do you have any idea when classes will start? I know they're doing interview now. Do you know how many are in the pool now?

I think we interviewed about 40, hired 12, said no to a few, so there are probably 20 or so left in the original pool. More interviews are going on now, so it should be a short wait for most of them. I know that management wants to get classes rolling right away so that when the new planes get here starting this fall they can go right into service without having to understaff the airline again.

HAL

 

[hyeflyin]

Any talks of opening up LAX again?