Say it Isn't so...Lynx?

[Jet41]

Can anyone confirm Lynx Aviation is parking airplanes? All interviews and classes canceled?

A lot of good people there.

 

[Fly2Scuba]

$26 an hour 3rd year FO at $1.25 per diem to fly a 70 seater aircraft. 70 souls times millions liability costs should something go wrong = that's no where near right. Baby tails, baby benefits, baby airline size hopefully for the sake of this profession.

 

[trestles]

Source?

 

[cobalt]

and look at the CA pay.... makes me sick.

 

[cale42]

Thats kinda an out of left field rumor... where did it come from??

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Thats kinda an out of left field rumor... where did it come from??

I believe it was Jet41...!:beer:

 

[Grey Ghost]

F9 is desperate and lynx cost them something like 24 million dollars!

 

[XPOO]

Frontier is currently being circled by sharks that are just waiting for the ship to sink. Cutting Lynx would probably go a long way in helping bail water out of the bough.

 

[trestles]

I definitely agree that Frontier is in some trouble, but has Lynx officially parked any airplanes and/or stopped hiring?

 

[Jet41]

I'm just asking, I hope it's not true. Since this is new to everyone here I assume it's false. Just something I heard, I generally take these sort of rumors with a grain of salt. But with what's happened the past few weeks and it coming from what I thought was a good source, I took it a little more seriously. Regardless I hope it's false.

 

[yourhairsonfire]

As far as I know Lynx has NOT parked anything. Lynx starts up to 6 new mountain destinations this month and next month.

Yes, Lynx startup costs hurt F9. But, they're making a profit now. Is it enough to save F9? Probably not...not in and of itself anyway.

A more probable scenario for the next year or so would be that F9 reduces RJET cost plus flying as Lynx gets more Q400 options. Note that there has not been an official announcement regarding the options.

Lynx is also actively looking for other codeshare flying with the Q400.

It's a tough time right now. Especially for the LCC's that don't have tons of liquid cash to help absorb these tough (and hopefully temporary) economic times.

The industry will look a whole lot different a year or two from now. Hang on!

 

[ricj41]

Coming from a good source. Who? Come on. You started this rumor back it up. I am so tired of guys posting anonymous sh*t on here and others taking it seriously.
Lynx flights are full. They start mountain flying in the next few months and their fuel burn per passenger is low as hell.
As for Frontier in trouble. Yes we lost money last quarter, a lot of money. Our new CEO has only had a couple months to rework our route system. We are dropping unprofitable routes and adding flights to our overbooked cities. We are continuosly flying completely full or very near that. We have the lowest fuel burns in the industry. But we face stiff competition. Phx, Lax, Sfo, Sea, Dfw all have 3 or 4 airlines competiting on the same routes.
Southwest is growing in Den but they are not stealing our passengers. Our % share of traffic at DIA has grown since they entered the market. That is a fact. United has reduced their flying and the other airlines (Delta, USair, etc) have been losing market share.
What gets us so angry is that when you walk through the A terminal at Dia it is jam packed with pax. Our completion factor is over 99%, A+14 is near our all time high, our fuel burns year over year are at all time lows even though the aircraft and engines have aged and load factors are ridiculously high. We feel we should be making money. But the vast majority of our pilots have confidence in our new CEO and feel he is making the changes necesary for us to become profitable.

 

[XPOO]

Wow, you make Frontier sound like the greatest airline on the face of the earth.

 

[BoilerUP]

Wow, you make Frontier sound like the greatest airline on the face of the earth.

Can't be, we all know Skywest holds that title.

 

[XPOO]

Can't be, we all know Skywest holds that title.

You said it, not me.

 

[WalterSobchak]

Wow, you make Frontier sound like the greatest airline on the face of the earth.

For an offline dispatch jumpseater...F9 does pretty much rock. Great crews, nice CS agents...and the general consensus is that they always treat us like kings. God, er..I mean...atlcrashpad knows we don't expect that.

Because of this (and I know it goes against helping my company's bottom line)...when any non-airline friend asks me who they should fly to XYZ, I almost always say Frontier.

 

[XPOO]

For an offline dispatch jumpseater...F9 does pretty much rock. Great crews, nice CS agents...and the general consensus is that they always treat us like kings. God, er..I mean...atlcrashpad knows we don't expect that.

Because of this (and I know it goes against helping my company's bottom line)...when any non-airline friend asks me who they should fly to XYZ, I almost always say Frontier.

Blasphemy!

 

[Q400 Gear Bitch]

Frontier is currently being circled by sharks that are just waiting for the ship to sink. Cutting Lynx would probably go a long way in helping bail water out of the bough.

They're bailing water out of a tree branch?

 

[XPOO]

They're bailing water out of a tree branch?

The term bow comes from the old days of timber boat building. It is derived from the use of the trunk and a bow (bough) or large limb of a tree where the natural strength from the grown curved fibres of the wood provides the strength for this most vulnerable part of the ship or boat.

So I spelled it wrong. But still technically correct.

 

[cale42]

F9 is desperate and lynx cost them something like 24 million dollars!

Those were startup costs. The rumor is when this quarters profits come out Lynx will be the only part of the company to actually make money. Not too mention March revenue per available seat mile was nearly 14 cents.. well higher than the norm. And with 7 new cities and 2600 hours of block I would be awfully surprised to see anything parked.

 

[DoinTime]

If you can't make money when your employees work for almost nothing then you really don't have a chance to survive.

 

[dude100]

Absolutely False!

rumors are dumb...

 

[Jet41]

Coming from a good source. Who? Come on. You started this rumor back it up. I am so tired of guys posting anonymous sh*t on here and others taking it seriously.

I started no rumor, I asked if anyone else had heard the same. It was something I had heard and asked for confirmation. No rumor started. Looking back maybe I could have worded the question better yet it was a question.

 

[Capi_Cafre']

Lynx is also actively looking for other codeshare flying with the Q400.

A Horizon jumpseater mentioned a rumor there that Alaska is going to start moving some of their flying to Lynx because they don't think they'll get any concessions out of the Horizon folks.

 

[MCOE175]

RP is moving 10 more 170 aircraft the the Frontair side. So I don't think there is going to be a reduction on there side.

 

[Cardinal]

Lynx has accepted all 10 of their firm orders, and has them all staffed and flying. There are still 10 options out there, but they have yet to be exercised so.....How much hiring could we possibly expect them to do? Attrition and an uptick in utilization this month and next would be the only drivers requiring new bodies. I don't think a pause in classes signifies jack $hit.

In other news, AA has pilots on furlough. ZOMG!1!!Ohtehnoes!!1

 

[WSurf]

Talked to Check Airmen Buddy there today. No plans to park any planes at Lynx.

He did say attrition is bad. I can see why, the pay is dreadful.

And the fact that they are worried about Frontiers CashFlow.

 

[RJP]

Now that Frontier has filed Ch.11, does that mean this is a true "rumor" about Lynx? How many Q400s do they have?

 

[Captain Morgan]

What do you guys/gals think about Republic buying Lynx? Republic already has a codeshare with them. This would allow Bedford to get into the 70+ seat TP market and he would have well diversified his airline. Not to mention the affiliations with Wexford Capital both airlines share. This one's kind of out of left field but the thought crossed my mind.

 

[samballs]

What do you guys/gals think about Republic buying Lynx? Republic already has a codeshare with them. This would allow Bedford to get into the 70+ seat TP market and he would have well diversified his airline. Not to mention the affiliations with Wexford Capital both airlines share. This one's kind of out of left field but the thought crossed my mind.

Well lets see, since everytime A regional gets in trouble RP and Skywest pilots talk of their company buying others. Yet, it never happens and you never hear anything of it but on here.