Delta Pilots Say 'Yes'

[kmox29]

Posted on April 10th, 2008 – 3:07 PM
By Casey Common This just in: Bloomberg News reported that the Delta pilots have OK’d their revised contract — potentially clearing the way for a merger with Northwest. Bloomberg cited anonymous sources familiar with the talks.
The deal includes pay raises and an equity stake in the combined airline, Bloomberg said, echoing earlier reports in saying the merger announcement could come next week.
Stay tuned…



As an outsider looking in, what meaning does this have?

 

[michael707767]

It means Lee Moak has found a way to f*ck the junior pilots once again.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Michael, do you have the details, I do not.
Not sure that we are screwed yet, but if we are, I am not surprised and like all of my other "brothers" I have taken precautions if I do get an unpaid vacation.
It is the times we live in.
I would not say that we are screwed just yet, maybe after the NWA MEC's response to this I will.

 

[MarineGrunt]

Delta Accord Paves Way for Northwest Deal, People Say (Update1)
By [bnRSN=1] Mary Jane Credeur [] and [bnRSN=1] Mary Schlangenstein []
April 10 (Bloomberg) -- Delta Air Lines Inc. and its pilots agreed on a tentative contract to clear the way for a merger with Northwest Airlines Corp. that would create the world's largest carrier, people familiar with the talks said.
The pilot accord includes higher pay and an equity stake in the combined airline, which would keep Delta's name and Atlanta headquarters, said the people, who didn't want to be identified because the plan is still private. The tie-up may be announced next week, the people said.
To work around an impasse between Delta and Northwest pilots, who couldn't agree on how to mesh their ranks, Delta is drawing up the new contract with just its 7,000 pilots, said the people. Northwest's 5,000 pilots will be asked to join under a single contract later, the people said.
Negotiations to create a combined seniority list may take months to complete, the people said. Pilots for both companies are represented by the Air Line Pilots Association.
The merger includes a small premium for Northwest investors, three of the people said.
Delta spokeswoman Betsy Talton declined to comment, other than to reiterate that the company's board committee to assess mergers remains active. Tammy Lee, a spokeswoman for Eagan, Minnesota-based Northwest, declined to comment.
To contact the reporters on this story: Mary Jane Credeur in Atlanta at [email protected]; Mary Schlangenstein in Dallas at [email protected]
Last Updated: April 10, 2008 16:14 EDT

 

[andyd]

It means Lee Moak has found a way to f*ck the junior pilots once again.

Micheal....I don't think that's the case at all, I think he did what he was elected to do...look out for DAL Pilots....ALL of us. This merger was going to be forced on us one way or the other, I think that Lee and company chose to accept reality and make the best of a potentially bad situation. Now that the die has been cast, if there are airframes to be parked and guys to be put on the street....my money say's it's not on our side of the "fence". NWALPA had PLENTY of time and multiple chances to play nice and they chose to be obstructionist instead. They will now reap what they have sown....NOTHING.

 

[d.fitz]

NWALPA had PLENTY of time and multiple chances to play nice and they chose to be obstructionist instead. They will now reap what they have sown....NOTHING.

Can you post your source? Didn't think so.... Nothin like bein a misinformed tool.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

And if you thought AWA/USAir was contentious....

BOHICA

 

[nwaredtail]

Micheal....I don't think that's the case at all, I think he did what he was elected to do...look out for DAL Pilots....ALL of us. This merger was going to be forced on us one way or the other, I think that Lee and company chose to accept reality and make the best of a potentially bad situation. Now that the die has been cast, if there are airframes to be parked and guys to be put on the street....my money say's it's not on our side of the "fence". NWALPA had PLENTY of time and multiple chances to play nice and they chose to be obstructionist instead. They will now reap what they have sown....NOTHING.

Nice try, if all the crap goes to the NWA side, the new merger will bring both houses down as 4500 pissed of NWA pilots take pleasure in making that happen.

Anderson will never let that happen. He's way too smart for that.

If you are junior at either carrier............. you know the rest.

 

[andyd]

Typical Redtail mentality never ceases to amaze me. Unless you have been living under a rock for the past 4 months you would would realize that both companies and mec's have been negotiating/meeting to put a deal together. My sources:

DAL
NWA
DALPA
NWALPA
ALPA
CNN
FOX
CBS
NBC
ABC
CNBC
BLOOMBERG
In addition to the dozen or so local, state and national politictions who have come out for/against the merger.

NWALPA: If you ingnore it it will go away. Sounds alot like thier negotiating tactics.

 

[nwaredtail]

Typical Redtail mentality never ceases to amaze me. Unless you have been living under a rock for the past 4 months you would would realize that both companies and mec's have been negotiating/meeting to put a deal together. My sources:

DAL
NWA
DALPA
NWALPA
ALPA
CNN
FOX
CBS
NBC
ABC
CNBC
BLOOMBERG
In addition to the dozen or so local, state and national politictions who have come out for/against the merger.

NWALPA: If you ingnore it it will go away. Sounds alot like thier negotiating tactics.

You must be junior, Sorry.

 

[LandGreen]

Nice try, if all the crap goes to the NWA side, the new merger will bring both houses down as 4500 pissed of NWA pilots take pleasure in making that happen.

Anderson will never let that happen. He's way too smart for that.

If you are junior at either carrier............. you know the rest.

you are absolutely right...the only way RA could make this work is to buy the piece he wants...the Pacific stuff...DAL doesn't need anything else. So how many pilots at NW are Pacific pilots? Will they be pissed too? i doubt it...

 

[nwaredtail]

you are absolutely right...the only way RA could make this work is to buy the piece he wants...the Pacific stuff...DAL doesn't need anything else. So how many pilots at NW are Pacific pilots? Will they be pissed too? i doubt it...

Pacific division doesn't make squat without those crappy dc-9's filling them up.

 

[andyd]

You're right I am junior which is why I'm glad that our mec being unable to work out a deal with NWALPA that was fair and realistic to BOTH sides, chose do deal with REALITY and understand that this sh!tstorm was comming our way whether or not we want it. If it was going to be forced on us at least our MEC has taken the initiative to make it the least painless on it's members.

I sincerely HOPE that this is all just more "negotiating" in the media and that it's meant to "scare" the NWMEC back to realistic and fair negotiations. I don't for a second want anyone of us furloughed....on EITHER side of the house, but when push comes to shove, if there are a/c to be parked and guys to be furloughed then it should come down on the side that hasn't played along.

I do know one thing: I don't want our two great airlines to be heading down the path of the US Airways debacle. How about if we CHOOSE not to let personality's, attitudes and opinions degrade any further.

We need to re-introduce an amount of civility in our discussions. I am willing: Are the rest of you?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Probably not yet, but there will be a time for that.

Parts may be the answer. We will find out by pay day, or at a min before we know where we will be flying next month.

 

[IronCityBlue]

I don't think anyone could be righteously upset that two newly merged companies furloughed whatever pilots who'se pre merger planes were parked. Thinking you can mostly park DC-9''s yet mostly furlough Delta pilots is a non negotiable impasse, if that indeed was ever anyone's expectation.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

I don't think anyone could be righteously upset that two newly merged companies furloughed whatever pilots who'se pre merger planes were parked. Thinking you can mostly park DC-9''s yet mostly furlough Delta pilots is a non negotiable impasse, if that indeed was ever anyone's expectation.

Righteous or not there'll be plenty of pissed-off guys. Ever hear of Midatlantic?

 

[MDPilot]

Deleted, just not worth it.

 

[PCL_128]

I'm not getting a warm fuzzy feeling about this one. Good luck to all the junior guys.

 

[LandGreen]

Pacific division doesn't make squat without those crappy dc-9's filling them up.

you are right again...who needs dc9's when RA has M88's to fill up the Pac fleet!

 

[jester757]

Whoa....Delta PILOTS have not said YES...only the MEC. We get to vote on it. And if there is one furlough...then it is a simple NO here. I am not that junior but I am not going to sell out the guys who just left a commuter job and are now going to thrown to the wolves.
I have heard some good things from my LEC rep...just some speculation of course, but DAL's contract is going to look real good to the NWA guys...call it bait. This will be used to get them to work out the senority issue or be left out - simple as that.

I hope I am right about no furloughs...I guess we will see soon enough...but remember we all have a vote on this one.

 

[wings421]

We get to vote on it. And if there is one furlough...then it is a simple NO here. I am not that junior but I am not going to sell out the guys who just left a commuter job and are now going to thrown to the wolves.

Thanks from someone who is VERY junior!

 

[General Lee]

I don't think anyone could be righteously upset that two newly merged companies furloughed whatever pilots who'se pre merger planes were parked. Thinking you can mostly park DC-9''s yet mostly furlough Delta pilots is a non negotiable impasse, if that indeed was ever anyone's expectation.

That is correct. If we are merging and they are parking the DC9s, it would not be fair to furlough pilots who never flew them. Sorry. Get rid of what is not wanted first, and then merge. That is when you can look at your true career expectations.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Whoa....Delta PILOTS have not said YES...only the MEC. We get to vote on it. And if there is one furlough...then it is a simple NO here. I am not that junior but I am not going to sell out the guys who just left a commuter job and are now going to thrown to the wolves.
I have heard some good things from my LEC rep...just some speculation of course, but DAL's contract is going to look real good to the NWA guys...call it bait. This will be used to get them to work out the senority issue or be left out - simple as that.

I hope I am right about no furloughs...I guess we will see soon enough...but remember we all have a vote on this one.

I won't vote yes to furlough any Delta pilots. Nope. Neither will I vote yes to give away 100 seaters. No way.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

you are right again...who needs dc9's when RA has M88's to fill up the Pac fleet!

We may get some used MD90s to fill in for a few of those DC9s.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FDJ2]

Posted on April 10th, 2008 – 3:07 PM
By Casey Common This just in: Bloomberg News reported that the Delta pilots have OK’d their revised contract —

That would come as a surprise to the DAL MEC. I have no doubt that there are negotiations underway and probably completed, but to the best of my knowledge nothing has been "OK'd."

 

[FDJ2]

Michael, do you have the details

No he doesn't.

 

[Max Powers]

this won't be pretty

 

[PlaneDrvr]

this won't be pretty

That's the 'understatement of the year'

 

[FDJ2]

Nice try, if all the crap goes to the NWA side, the new merger will bring both houses down as 4500 pissed of NWA pilots take pleasure in making that happen.

What crap? Your PWA? The Delta pilots aren't doing anything to the NWA pilots. You live under your contract, we'll live under ours.

One of our priorities during negotiations was to have stronger scope language that would give us leverage in just such a merger scenario. You had a different priority.

We are simply using our hard fought leverage to improve our contract. We offered to bring you along, but you refused the offer, which is your right. So stop whining about it. Get your own contractual improvements.

The DAL pilots are under no obligation to use their leverage to improve your contract. We'll do it, but not under your terms.

If we merge and achieve a joint contract, 3-4 years from now, then you'll get the jointly negotiated gains, until that time, you simply aren't entitled to the benefits of our contract.

 

[FDJ2]

Pacific division doesn't make squat without those crappy dc-9's filling them up.

There are other aircraft besides crappy DC-9s that can fill them up.