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How high was the flight when they had that AD? Did the aircraft lose pressure? Interesting case study for all those arguements that people are going to be flying towards the hole.
 
Rally said:
How high was the flight when they had that AD? Did the aircraft lose pressure? Interesting case study for all those arguements that people are going to be flying towards the hole.
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I have heard the airplane was between 8,000 and 10,000'.

The aircraft did not lose pressure either, and I actually have seen a few articles that mention what you say about it debunking the myth. Or maybe it was posts on here! :D
 
I don't think it would have been much problem. In the KC135, we still have the old sextant porthole in the ceiling of the cabin - it has a valve about a 1/2" diameter (about the same as a bullet) that opens to the outside air. It used to get routinely used for navigation, but now it is mostly used for vacuuming by bored crews by connecting a long hose. I also heard of one crew using that method to empty a full lav. Not a good idea.....

:erm:
 
Thats what I thought was trying to tell this to some guys on a gun website. (glocktalk.com) Good website.....But something that small I'd think the outflow valve would compensate especially at that low altitude.
 
Yes but this was a REAL airplane not one with plywood boards over the front windows (and foam) and a huffer running the packs.

:-)
 
Hugh Johnson said:
Got to Mythbusters web site. They did this one.
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When they did it, did it maintain the SAME pressurazation (sp) (I'm tired) I think more what they were testing was if it was going to be explosive and suck someone. What I am saying is, one bullet hole wouldn't the outflow valve compensate?
 
The hole would have to be over half the size of the out flow valve in order to lose pressure. If the out flow valve is 12in, the hole would have to be over 6 inches. It would spike if less then 6, but would maintain pressure.

Read up on this stuff, it is eye opening when you dig into aircraft systems and design.
 
So how big are most outflow valves?

Say a MU-2, a metroliner, a 421, a b757 etc?
 
The 737's is about one square foot when full open. A bullet hole in the fuselage will only make the outlet valve open that much less. Not a big deal (to the pressurization system).
 
After reading the subject of this string, I thought it was another "sleeping passener" story . . . glad to see it was about guns, not sex. Whew!
 
Stuff you don't hear on CNN MSNBC, FOXNEWS etc.

Thats kinda what I thought.
 
j41driver said:
Differential pressure is differential pressure.
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But once again they were looking for somebody to be sucked out of a window. Understandable in the Aloha case because 1/8 of the aircraft was missing. Totally different thing. I wonder how that aircraft even flew and stayed together.
 
Speaking of aloha somebody once told me that the FO set the cabin pressure incorrectly. I never really believed that, I always understood it as being a corrosion problem that lead to the massive cracks and destruction.
 
At worst a bullet hole in the skin will whistle and drive you crazy. The Outflows will hardly move to compensate even at high altitude. I had a partial door seal blow out and we had a pressure spike but it compensated. The noise was a pain in the arse. The surface area of that seal must be several feet, of course it didn't fully deflate, but still.
 
Ty Webb said:
After reading the subject of this string, I thought it was another "sleeping passener" story . . . glad to see it was about guns, not sex. Whew!
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Better not go over to the regionals forum with that spelling they might tell you to shut your month. Seems to be alot more mature over here, refreshing.
 
Seems like every now and then people need to be reminded that this is a message board, not a spelling bee.

Usually, the ones that resort to the fall-back position of "Spelling Police" have just had their azz handed to them, and they have nothing germaine to respond with.
 
Being a message bored, the entire point of it's existence is to communicate a message. Some peoples' speeling and grammar usage is so atrocious that the message is not effectively conveyed.

P.S. Notice how quickly the message of my post was derailed by the spelling errors? People tend to distrust a post when they see simple spelling errors. If the poster cannot spell, why would we assume they are intelligent enough to post accurate and factual information?
 
Don't be a squeezable bottle filled with vinegar and water

Dear "A Whack-off":

Did I spell that correctly? ;)

Yes, a ham-handed or dyslexic Message Poster can certainly miss making their point by looking like an ill-informed, uneducated {vinegar and water solution in a squeezable bottle with a directional nozzle, used for feminine hygiene} bag; however, interrupting a string to point out someone's misspellings or grammatical errors is equally assinine.

BTW, most of the errors I see on this board are typos, homonyms, or phonetical spellings- it makes me wonder if this is a pilot trait (dyslexia?).

PS., I actually was a Spelling Bee winner, but that was 5th grade . . . I've since gotten over it. Hopefully, you will, too. . . . ;)

Regards,

TW

Word!
 
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"Well Bob, it looks like someone from the ranger's bench has just thrown a live octopus onto the ice. It is shear pandemonium!"

:laugh:
 
Ty,

I wasn't directing my post at you (unless you really can't spell...I think we know you can with that victory in the 5th grade);). I'm going to have to agree with the whole dyslexia diagnosis. I've seen a lot of it in pilots. It just makes me laugh inside when I see someone fresh out of college who is practically illiterate. What school did they go to?! Typos are one thing but phonetical spelling??? Hooked On Phonics sucks!

P.S. Yes, you got the username right :)
 
You, Sir, are killing me . . . . :laugh:

I couldn't agree more . . . or, wait- is it I could agree more? Could care less . . . or couldn't care less?

I'm so Confucius! ;)
 
In between all the flatulent discourse about semantics, spelling, and grammatical segways.....
did the guy have a Glock .40 or an H&K and why did the thing go off?
 
It was a H&K .40........He probably had his finger on the trigger taking it out of the holster or caught it on something when he pulled out.
 
It's a big gun and makes a big bang. I'm thinking that the hole could have been making all the noise in the world and they wouldn't have heard it for the loud ringing and blood coming out of their ears.
 
Sicence has swhon, that as lnog as the lttres are not jxutapoesd to bdaly, that the itndeed msseage wlil be cnvovyed.

I gesus the barin is a fnnuy tnhig :)
 

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