Go airlines jumpseaters to HNL

[Dan Roman]

The difference is being sent on TDY and being asked to jumpseat to work instead of a company purchased ticket. Further for example if you are based in DFW and the company wants to send you to LAX to pick up a plane they will positive space you to do it. They do not ask you to jumpseat on your own to pick up a plane.

In my early freight dog days I was asked to jumpseat for work all the time.

Thanks, that sums it up perfectly.

 

[MJ42]

OK, so what about AA moving into DAL to ultimately put out of business, Legend airlines 6 years ago? As soon as Legend was gone, AA left. How is this any different?

You guys are missing the point. Jumpseating to or from work is ok. Jumpseating for pleasure is ok. Jumpseating on company business when Mesa is obligated to BUY you a ticket is NOT ok.

I saw it first hand when a Mesa guy, which later said he was travel to audit a Mesa station, bumped a fellow commuter because he listed first (they were same priority). Lucky for me it was an airbus w/2 jumpseats and I listed before the Mesa pilot, I was able to commute home.

It's not just Mesa, a lot of young pilots don't understand the concept of the privilege. Some of these low timers think it's a right. They weren't around when jumpseating was not allowed.

Please guy's don't let your company take advantage of your inexperience. If they need you somewhere, they need to get you there by buying a ticket.

 

[motch]

OK, so what about AA moving into DAL to ultimately put out of business, Legend airlines 6 years ago? As soon as Legend was gone, AA left. How is this any different?

Well, I don't know anything about that. But I will ask.. did the CEO state that he was willing to lose money to put the competion out of business?
Also

AA was a Legacy and was not a start up like GO.
Was Legend a carrier with a long history?

 

[PCL_128]

So one can no longer jumpseat to work? I understand it's controversial, however, Mesa pilots are ALPA union paying members. REZ or PCL-thoughts????

If I understand the original poster correctly, then he's not talking about the usual commute to work. He's talking about that POS Orenstein trying to reposition crews to Hawaii that aren't usually based there to operate flights. That's company business, not personal business. If my company wants to TDY me somewhere, then they need to deadhead me there. I won't jumpseat for it, and neither should any Mesa pilot. If they do try, then CAs should educate them on why they aren't supposed to abuse the jumpseat in that manner, and deny them boarding. The jumpseat is never to be used for official company business except for line checks.

 

[motch]

Another question...

While I understand almost everyone within ALPA has jumpseat agreements with everyone else.
But here's the thing.

MESA and their jumpseat agreements were set up when MESA was only a feeder. Now MESA has a division called GO Airlines. Purely a stand alone carrier. Should a new jumpseat agreement be negotiated?

 

[MJ42]

Another question...

While I understand almost everyone within ALPA has jumpseat agreements with everyone else.
But here's the thing.

MESA and their jumpseat agreements were set up when MESA was only a feeder. Now MESA has a division called GO Airlines. Purely a stand alone carrier. Should a new jumpseat agreement be negotiated?

You may be reading too much into the original post.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

OK, so what about AA moving into DAL to ultimately put out of business, Legend airlines 6 years ago? As soon as Legend was gone, AA left. How is this any different?

Youre right General. It is no different and equally eggregious.

 

[PCL_128]

Another question...

While I understand almost everyone within ALPA has jumpseat agreements with everyone else.
But here's the thing.

MESA and their jumpseat agreements were set up when MESA was only a feeder. Now MESA has a division called GO Airlines. Purely a stand alone carrier. Should a new jumpseat agreement be negotiated?

If you think one should be renegotiated, then you should talk to your jumpseat chairman. I think it's ridiculous, though. The Mesa pilots aren't to blame for this.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

At some point, pilots must be held accountable for their actions. If a pilot knowingly and willfully took (or takes) a position at GO knowing that J.O. has stated his goal to lose money in an effort to put another carrier out of business, than that pilot should not be awarded the privileges of a jumpseat.
Jumpseating is a PRIVILEGE under a union, negotiated through a union.

MESA Pilots going to work for GO should plan to live there... and I don't want to hear that they can't afford it. Then you don't take the job!

Game on~

I don't think there's an idiot out there who would admit to taking a job to sink another carrier, especially if he or she is asking a captain for a ride on their jumpseat, but maybe you would, I don't know.

A pilot should plan to live at domicile, huh? May I ask if you have always lived at your domicile. What about those who you fly with? Do you deny the jumpseat to other pilots who commute to a place that has a high cost of living, like, say, New York, LA, San Fran? It stinks what happened to Aloha, but where was your support for them when go! went into business there? I don't remember seeing ALPA picketing or crying out injustice while they were out there.

I think the company management does have a say as to who rides on their jumpseat too. Don't turn this into a union war, Aloha and Mesa Air Group pilots are both card carrying ALPA members. You don't like what Mesa did, neither do I, but I'm not going to punish a pilot for what his management.

 

[Dan Roman]

You may be reading too much into the original post.

Thank you also, you are exactly right. I tried to make it clear (and at least some of you got it!) That I wasn't advocating turning down Mesa guys from your jumpseat. I thought I made it clear that I was only saying to be on the look out for Mesa MANAGEMENT abusing the interline jumpseat privalages by trying to get Mesa pilots to Hawaii for temporary duty at Go. Of course you can't be sure if the pilot lies to you, but in some cases you may be able to prevent jumpseat abuse by Mesa, not the individual pilot.
How can I be any clearer and how can anyone disagree? IT IS AN ILLEGAL MISUSE OF ALL OUR JUMPSEAT PRIVILAGES IF A COMPANY TELLS A PILOT TO USE SOMEONE ELSES JUMPSEAT ON COMPANY BUSINESS!