NWA reports it, so it must be true

[DTW320]

Second, if management tries to force a merger without the pilots' consent, the Delta pilots will support their MEC. Delta has a Strike Preparedness Committee which is also funded, prepared and spun up. Just as prepared as the Merger Committee.

So let me get this straight Fins...are you saying that IF management(s) decide to go through with a merger anyway, despite the pilot's opposition, that DALPA will consider a Strike??? You do know what the RLA has to say about such a thing don't you? You do know that DALPA has never struck even within the legal bounds spelled out in the RLA right? (and I'm not saying that they ever should have or had a reason to, so don't go down that road). You do know what RLA stands for right?

 

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The SPC is the tactical arm of the MEC. It is prepared should its use be needed. It was spun up and funded.

Do you think management put 2 Bn USD on the table because they thought it would be a pleasant gift for the pilots?

All these decisions are made way beyond my pay grade and are not likely to be an issue. But, I have my comfortable shoes shined and a second job lined up in the event that it is necessary. New hires at either airline would be smart to be similarly prepared anyway.

If you are not thinking three or four moves ahead in this game, you are behind. When you bring a position to the table, you have to be ready to execute.

 

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Keep believing whatever they tell you. They really like it when you do that....

I read the transcripts pretty closely and never read such a statement from Bastian. Anderson said he was not brought on board to facilitate a merger with NWA, but never said it would not happen.

If you have a quote, post it, we fellow flightinfo readers would like to see it.

 

[DTW320]

I read the transcripts pretty closely and never read such a statement from Bastian. Anderson said he was not brought on board to facilitate a merger with NWA, but never said it would not happen.

If you have a quote, post it, we fellow flightinfo readers would like to see it.

I don't read DAL transcripts....I was just assuming that your fellow Delta Buds knew what they were talking about when they said it here. (read FDJ2's post.....skipover Robert E Lee's excrement)

As for your SPC comments, I couldn't make much sense of your reply and it really didn't answer my question to you. Again, are you aware of the circumstances, under the RLA, that allow a strike? I sure am (think Fall 1998) and, while I wish it were otherwise (no fan of the RLA) the unfortunate reality is that being unhappy with your managements merger plans is not one of the criteria that makes a work stoppage legal in this industry. Or even a sickout (ask an APA member).

 

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DTW,

Well it has been more than 6 months.... I do not see anything that suggests Ed Bastian is, or was, less than candid. The merger forces were applied externally by hedge fund managers who unfortunately own significant portions of both of our airlines and who want a quick and easy buck. Hopefully some bailed at $17 a share.

As far as I know, there is nothing being forced on us and nothing to resist. It is entirely premature to debate self help options. You used the word "strike," not I. Besides, a spun up SPC has other functions.

DALPA 2, infidels 0. You think that was a happy accident?

 

[PuffDriver]

I don't read DAL transcripts....I was just assuming that your fellow Delta Buds knew what they were talking about when they said it here. (read FDJ2's post.....skipover Robert E Lee's excrement)

As for your SPC comments, I couldn't make much sense of your reply and it really didn't answer my question to you. Again, are you aware of the circumstances, under the RLA, that allow a strike? I sure am (think Fall 1998) and, while I wish it were otherwise (no fan of the RLA) the unfortunate reality is that being unhappy with your managements merger plans is not one of the criteria that makes a work stoppage legal in this industry. Or even a sickout (ask an APA member).

Nonetheless,

There are many options at the disposal of the Delta MEC, which were also used to fend off the USAir hostile takeover as well as in BK to preserve the contract drastically more than Delta wanted. Informational picketing as use of the press were just two of the items. There was even a time that the SPC had the pilots clear out their lockers at their bases. Illegal or not, the Delta pilots have always carried a big stick under the leadership of our current administration, and the proof is that other MECs have started to utilize the same tactics.

 

[DTW320]

DALPA 2, infidels 0. You think that was a happy accident?

Wow....that's some STRONG Koolaid they're mixing over on Sullivan Rd these days.

PS. Actually you did use the word Strike and talked about comfortable shoes and second jobs, but what do I know.....I'm just an "infidel"

 

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DTW:

I used the word "strike" as part of a name of a standing committee. If I wrote "Hotel Committee" would you assume we are buying Hilton? I've walked in circles on occassions which were not strikes.

You an infidel? Only if you choose to be. NWA pilots did not come seeking the merger, hedge fund managers did.

Any junior pilot at either airline would be smart to have their contingency plans lined up if a NWA merger happens. Hopefully your scope will protect you from my worst fears about the DC9 fleet, but, neither of us has seen the scope language of the combined airline and DAL clearly has excess RJ capacity which is more ASM efficient than your DC9's (and the large RJ's beat our MD88's too).

Others have noticed too. Part of this deal was rumored to be the sale of Comair with an additional RJ flying award.

If your Reps will show you, ask to see ALPA's EF&A analysis. Ignore the rhetoric and look at the ASM costs. After you read the numbers you might come to agree with me that:
1. Fuel prices are not going to fix the scope problem
2. The death of the RJ has been exaggerated
3. Delta would use their excess RJ capacity that they are contractually bound to pay for to backfill DC9's very quickly.
4. We really do not know how differences in Delta and NWA's scope agreements were going to be resolved.

I do trust hard numbers. I do not have much faith in "no furlough" clauses. The coolaid is good around here, but not nearly good enough to let other employment options slip away.

 

[airlinepilot]

What does the MEC say regarding if the merger will go ahead without SLI

 

[Redmeat]

The SPC is the tactical arm of the MEC. It is prepared should its use be needed. It was spun up and funded.

Do you think management put 2 Bn USD on the table because they thought it would be a pleasant gift for the pilots?

All these decisions are made way beyond my pay grade and are not likely to be an issue. But, I have my comfortable shoes shined and a second job lined up in the event that it is necessary. New hires at either airline would be smart to be similarly prepared anyway.

If you are not thinking three or four moves ahead in this game, you are behind. When you bring a position to the table, you have to be ready to execute.

If you want to see Delta disappear quicker than a fart in the wind...go on strike while the industry is entering a DEEP recession.

 

[Redmeat]

What does the MEC say regarding if the merger will go ahead without SLI

"Get the lube, cause we're idiots"

?

 

[DTW320]

If your Reps will show you, ask to see ALPA's EF&A analysis. Ignore the rhetoric and look at the ASM costs. After you read the numbers you might come to agree with me that:
1. Fuel prices are not going to fix the scope problem
2. The death of the RJ has been exaggerated
3. Delta would use their excess RJ capacity that they are contractually bound to pay for to backfill DC9's very quickly.
4. We really do not know how differences in Delta and NWA's scope agreements were going to be resolved.

I personally have a copy of the E&FA analysis(you mean DALPA didn't give you guys one? Hmmmmmm.....) and didn't notice any rhetoric in it. You have made one of my points perfectly. DALPA's scope clause is much worse than NWA's (Here's where you should ignore the rhetoric....the rhetoric from deltoids here about how vastly superior DAL's contract is). See why NWAALPA may have been more concerned about SLI than the retractable goodies on the table? See why we laugh so hard when you guys go right back to: "but, but, you guys would have gained so much by our contract"

 

[EdTeachLives!]

I personally have a copy of the E&FA analysis(you mean DALPA didn't give you guys one? Hmmmmmm.....) and didn't notice any rhetoric in it. You have made one of my points perfectly. DALPA's scope clause is much worse than NWA's (Here's where you should ignore the rhetoric....the rhetoric from deltoids here about how vastly superior DAL's contract is). See why NWAALPA may have been more concerned about SLI than the retractable goodies on the table? See why we laugh so hard when you guys go right back to: "but, but, you guys would have gained so much by our contract"

The nwalpa EFA document had plenty of inaccurate statements and facts within it. So, if the shoe fits...wear it.

This deal is 99% dead. It alledgedly came down to possibly one disfunctional ex republic guy in your MEC or committee structure,

The integration deal frame work for the pilots no longer remains in its original form so even if it were to be revived, it would be far less palatable for those involved.

Quite frankly, it would be ironic if DAL moved on and purchased ALK thus taking away NWA's west coast feed. Asian expansion could then be added comensurate to economic conditions and demand with out NWA utilizing point to point vs. the Narita hub.

This is/was part of the package of options DAL is/was exploring.

And this all over dysfunction inherited over 26 years ago.

Ed

 

[DTW320]

The nwalpa EFA document had plenty of inaccurate statements and facts within it. So, if the shoe fits...wear it. How 'bout an example Ed. As for the shoes, I'm not the one that said I had comfy ones ready to walk circles (although, unlike Fins, I have)

This deal is 99% dead. It alledgedly came down to possibly one disfunctional ex republic guy in your MEC or committee structure, emphasis on the word "allegedly".

The integration deal frame work for the pilots no longer remains in its original form so even if it were to be revived, it would be far less palatable for those involved.

Quite frankly, it would be ironic if DAL moved on and purchased ALK thus taking away NWA's west coast feed. Asian expansion could then be added comensurate to economic conditions and demand with out NWA utilizing point to point vs. the Narita hub. Good Luck with that.....what with all the Asian route authority that ALK has.

This is/was part of the package of options DAL is/was exploring.

And this all over dysfunction inherited over 26 years ago. Ya got me there teach....what happened around 1982?

Ed

Happy Easter

 

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If you want to see Delta disappear quicker than a fart in the wind...go on strike while the industry is entering a DEEP recession.

I used the word "strike" as part of a name of a standing committee.

Reading comprehension requires the reading part.