NWA reports it, so it must be true

[nwaredtail]

Quote of the day: from Detroit News Editorial: Pilots should assist in Delta-Northwest merger - on Mar. 20, 2008.
"If that uprising goes through, the (Delta) pilots will have sunk to sheer obstructionism -- and walked away from working out differences to strengthen both companies for the long haul. It smacks of whistling past the graveyard."

 

[FDJ2]

It's getting a little embarassing watching NWALPA begging to merge. They've stopped asking DALPA to reengage, they been told no long enough already, now they're trying to cozy up to management in an effort to facilitate a merger with DAL.

Why can't they just drop it and walk away from the merger with some dignity?

The Delta pilots are moving on, so should the NWA pilots.

The transaction agreement was based on mutually agreement on the SLI among other things, not abdicating leadership responsibility to an arbitrator.

 

[d.fitz]

Why can't they just drop it and walk away from the merger with some dignity?

The Delta pilots are moving on, so should the NWA pilots.

He says.... responding to every single post saying the same thing...

 

[Heavy Set]

He says.... responding to every single post saying the same thing...

What's wrong with that? He is correct. You have to wonder why the Northwest guys continually want to re-engage. What do they know? Doesn't sound good.

 

[jke406]

Quote of the day: from Detroit News Editorial: Pilots should assist in Delta-Northwest merger - on Mar. 20, 2008.
"If that uprising goes through, the (Delta) pilots will have sunk to sheer obstructionism -- and walked away from working out differences to strengthen both companies for the long haul. It smacks of whistling past the graveyard."

what does some leftist newspaper's opinion have to do with anything?

you had your chance. you blew it.

stop rationalizing your decision by quoting the media know-nothings (the same ones who say we're overpaid and under worked).

 

[Rough67]

.. so should the NWA pilots.

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i did a long time ago.. stop generalizing please.. thanks :0

 

[Heavy Set]

i did a long time ago.. stop generalizing please.. thanks :0

Why does your MEC continue to try to engage? Really, it is kind of weird. What do they know? You have to ask yourself why a group who initially balked at something, suddenly wants "expedited arbitration?" Something smells rotten in Denmark. (maybe the General is there....hahaha---just joking Lee)

 

[Occam's Razor]

It's getting a little embarassing watching NWALPA begging to merge. They've stopped asking DALPA to reengage, they been told no long enough already, now they're trying to cozy up to management in an effort to facilitate a merger with DAL.

Why can't they just drop it and walk away from the merger with some dignity?

The Delta pilots are moving on, so should the NWA pilots.

Ouch!

If your statements were accurate, it'd be bad.

Thankfully, they're not.

Nobody is "moving on". This is a time-out.

 

[tomgoodman]

Fat Lady may encore

Nobody is "moving on". This is a time-out.

That's very possible. Walking away from the table is a normal part of negotiation. You know how much you want a deal but must test how much the other guy wants a deal. In this game, moreover, the referees can order the clock to re-start at any time. Players will then take the field or risk a forfeit.
Of course, if the officials themselves quit, the game will be cancelled. Another one might be scheduled for next year, with different personnel suiting up, or even different teams.

 

[Superpilot92]

What's wrong with that? He is correct. You have to wonder why the Northwest guys continually want to re-engage. What do they know? Doesn't sound good.

could it be that NWA ALPA thinks its going to happen regardless of what the DAL pilots think? Bottom line is if the management team wants it to happen then they are going to try. The NWA alpa team is being realistic IMHO. DAL doesnt want to go to arbitration because they know that they are being one sided and that if an outside source gets in the middle they will see DALs "deal".

 

[737 Pylt]

could it be that NWA ALPA thinks its going to happen regardless of what the DAL pilots think?

Most likely not. Most likely because NWA ALPA sees that there are more likely more airplanes about to be parked on the NWA side, and are wanting to use the DAL pilot force as furlough fodder.

Bottom line is if the management team wants it to happen then they are going to try. The NWA alpa team is being realistic IMHO.

I'm sure your idea of realistic has a purple sky and a rainbow as well too?

DAL doesnt want to go to arbitration because they know that they are being one sided and that if an outside source gets in the middle they will see DALs "deal".

No, DAL doesn't want to go to arbitration, because it was not part of the equation. The deal was to complete a mutually agreed upon SLI! Something neither side was able to do.

737

 

[Superpilot92]

Most likely not. Most likely because NWA ALPA sees that there are more likely more airplanes about to be parked on the NWA side, and are wanting to use the DAL pilot force as furlough fodder. Again wrong, there are facts that go into this answer but they have been discussed many times and the DAL guys seem to conveniently over look the Facts when it comes to NWA.


I'm sure your idea of realistic has a purple sky and a rainbow as well too? That's cute, must be some fantasy of yours.


No, DAL doesn't want to go to arbitration, because it was not part of the equation. The deal was to complete a mutually agreed upon SLI! Something neither side was able to do. Equation meaning what DAL's Rules? Does that mean agreed upon by the DAL guys? The DAL guys put on a front that we should just take whats offered and be glad we can call ourselves DAL pilots

737

Discuss

 

[737 Pylt]

Again wrong, there are facts that go into this answer but they have been discussed many times and the DAL guys seem to conveniently over look the Facts when it comes to NWA.
Oh this is rich.....Does the NWA ALPA fact figure person get his information from "Baghdad Bob?"
From someone who's been there less than a month, you seem to have your head already conviently burried in the sand. I know being at the bottom of the seniority list can be nerve wrecking, but remember, denial ain't just a river in Egypt.


That's cute, must be some fantasy of yours.
Actually I was asking if it was a fantasy of yours!

Equation meaning what DAL's Rules? Does that mean agreed upon by the DAL guys? The DAL guys put on a front that we should just take whats offered and be glad we can call ourselves DAL pilots
Too bad common sense isn't so common. The offer to merge was based on the two sides agreeing to a "mutually agreed upon SLI." Not the NWA ALPA's side of DOH. Hey look, we tried, your people are unreasonable. We've moved on, maybe you should too! Of course it really doesn't matter what happens, because as a probabionary pilot your input there is about as useful as your input here.

And there you have it.

737

 

[Superpilot92]

And there you have it.

737

First off you're wrong on the time i have been on property I also am far from burying my head in the sand, i try and take both sides info and gather my own opinion as we all should do. However it appears that most of the DAL guys only look at their own side. Some friendly news for you, the world does not revolve around DAL. I will agree though that no matter what MY or YOUR opinion is on this board it basically comes down to meaningless babble.

This isnt about what i want because either way i will be towards the bottom, with that said i still have a lot to lose and gain depending on how the seniority would've played out, hence my attempt to gather info from everywhere i can (read not so much this forum) LOL.

Its ok for you to come out of the closet and tell everyone about you purple sky, rainbow fantasy!! There is no reason to try and spin that around on me for my approval. Go gettem big guy :laugh:

 

[Noserider76]

That's very possible. Walking away from the table is a normal part of negotiation. You know how much you want a deal but must test how much the other guy wants a deal. In this game, moreover, the referees can order the clock to re-start at any time. Players will then take the field or risk a forfeit.
Of course, if the officials themselves quit, the game will be cancelled. Another one might be scheduled for next year, with different personnel suiting up, or even different teams.

Much has changed since the financials of the deal were first put on paper. Oil price, stock prices, and the economy to name just a few. The airline operating environment has completely changed. That would at the very least force a re-evaluation by the companies as well as a re-evaluation of positions by both MECs. From the MEC's position, what happens to business plans, aircraft, leases, etc if oil hits $130,140,150 or the economy takes an even steeper turn south....and how do you best protect your pilot group initially and a combined pilot group down the road.