United Cancels newhire classes

[screech]

Yes let's vote in another republican. This way we can lower the rich folks' taxes even more and have no way of paying for the exorbitant amount of money the GOP spends, putting us into an even deeper pit. Maybe soon, we can buy Pesos for security.

Let's vote for McCain, who called us all "greedy, overpaid, and under-worked".. Remember when he called us unpatriotic because of our greed? I liked that. a$$hole.

Now watch this drive...

The "Rich" folks as you described means any household that makes over $93,000/ year...Which pretty much means any two income house like a firefighter and a nurse or a pilot and a Financial Analyst (as is my case). My family is FAR from "rich".

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Has anyone seen the United cancelling newhire class thread?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Has anyone seen the United cancelling newhire class thread?

I'm just waiting for you to pass the popcorn......

 

[2ndGenPSA]

You have to pay for what you order. You fools elected a fool who buys more than we can pay for. And we all will pay for it now, and down the road:
Iraq;
Anti-labor mediators;
Anti-labor judges;
No energy plan;
Age 65, to name a few.

So vote based on taxes, as Bush proposes you do. Let's try this for another 4 years, plus residual years.

 

[Boeing747Driver]

Sorry to hear about the canceled classes UAL pre-hires. This industry really blows at times.

And for the thread hijackers get a damn life.

 

[JoeMerchant]

You have to pay for what you order. You fools elected a fool who buys more than we can pay for. And we all will pay for it now, and down the road:
Iraq;
Anti-labor mediators;
Anti-labor judges;
No energy plan;
Age 65, to name a few.

So vote based on taxes, as Bush proposes you do. Let's try this for another 4 years, plus residual years.

....and Hillary or Obama won't want want to pay for more? They have a huge list of entitlement programs that we can't afford....

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Yes let's vote in another republican.

A very large percentage of airline pilots do vote Republican. They like to be macho and vote for Bush instead of Gore or then Kerry. That's the whole problem today. If Gore had of been elected the airline business would be much better today and I doubt these classes would be cancelled. It would probably still be age-60 for another year or more too.

Here your Union gives to Democrates and the membership votes Republican. In the cockpit it's hard to find any pilot around election time that says they voted Democratic. And in the next election it will be more of the same. No pilot will admit he voted for Hillary but maybe Obama. Most will again be macho (stupid) and vote Republican.

Don't ever leave a paying job for United.

 

[jonjuan]

If Gore had of been elected

Hic.........splrrrrf, ughhhhhhh....hic.........

 

[Bavarian Chef]

A very large percentage of airline pilots do vote Republican. They like to be macho and vote for Bush instead of Gore or then Kerry. That's the whole problem today. If Gore had of been elected the airline business would be much better today and I doubt these classes would be cancelled. It would probably still be age-60 for another year or more too.

Here your Union gives to Democrates and the membership votes Republican. In the cockpit it's hard to find any pilot around election time that says they voted Democratic. And in the next election it will be more of the same. No pilot will admit he voted for Hillary but maybe Obama. Most will again be macho (stupid) and vote Republican.

Don't ever leave a paying job for United.

Okay -- first of all I am so sorry I am joining the hijack, but "if Gore had been elected"? Huh? Popsicle sticks have more personality than that jagnut (and I'm a democrat). He was NEVER gonna get elected. The Republicans could have run a cardboard box and Gore would have lost, even if by a few thousand hanging chads.


Back to thread -- Delta cancels them too apparently.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

It's the UAL pilots, stupid!

Hic.........splrrrrf, ughhhhhhh....hic.........

By Baviarian Chief:

Okay -- first of all I am so sorry I am joining the hijack, but "if Gore had been elected"? Huh? Popsicle sticks have more personality than that jagnut

The above replies are in the response to my post that the pilots at UAL and other places should have voted for Gore in 2000 (and Kerry in 2004).

You see! That is my exact point. I'm sorry but as airline pilots we are stupid as a group. Of course individually there are exceptions (like me and I think even ANDY who I think said one time back that he always votes Democratic even though he's a hot shot military guy), but as a group this is true. Don't you all see that if ALPA represents your interests and it gives almost exclusively to Democrats it is very STUPID to vote for anyone other than the Democratic candidate for every office, including president. So if Hillary is the candidate you'll all have to vote for her but that's the problem: None of the airline pilot group will, just as they didn't vote for Gore in year 2000 or Kerry in 2004. So you see, therein lies the problem. Is there one person other than ANDY and me that would vote for Hillary if she's the candidate, probably not? There's the problem don't you see.

Now this is not a hijack of this thread because I'm explaining why United is shaky, selling off (not buying airplanes) and may soon be out of business. I'm explaining why United, who I worked for over 37-years is not now recommended by me and others as a place to work.

"It's the pilots stupid," we with our macho ways and attitudes are our own worst enemy.

So if you want to place blame or understand why United is canceling classes and selling airplanes not buying them, just look at yourselves.

You might remember just a few months ago when there was a thread about how great it is at UAL. I, of course, commented about not to leave a good job that paid real money for United. I was of course beat up and called names and so forth which is OK because that's the way it is at FI. So what do you think now? I hope maybe somebody listened to me and didn't give up a nice Regional caption seat for a worthless promise from UAL. Today's UAL is not the United of 8-years ago and before.

I'm sorry to say this, but next will be the sell off of the rest of the B737 fleet. And I don't think I need to spoon feed anyone on what that means!

Of course they've already sold the kitchens, the IND maintenance center, other maintenance centers, the Credit Union, some of reservations, and all the short-haul business. Next, after the 737 sell off, it will be the sell off of the Training Center before the merger.

Hang on or go somewhere else if you can.

And ANDY, because you and I are FI friends (or enemies), stay in the Military for a few more years if you're as smart as you think. The ground is still way too shaky at UAL.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

....and Hillary or Obama won't want want to pay for more? They have a huge list of entitlement programs that we can't afford....

How much does the entitlement to invade other countries cost.....??

3 Billion....?? More than any domestic program...

Do you know how much popcorn you could buy with that Butterfingers?

 

[MCDU]

The plan is United is going to park 1/3 of its planes with a few thousand furloughs. Then they will merge with USair West, Parker will take over and AWA pilots will be telling you on how lucky you are that you got saved. New call sign for United will be CACTUS. Plus finally the AWA pilots will be able to bid wide bodies that they wanted at USAIR since there will be no fences. All furloughed United guys will be placed below all the 2005 AWA, which will be fair since United furloughed pilots did not bring anything to this new merger twist.

Good luck United
DOH does matter

Marty

 

[Prog 2/2]

DOH does matter

Marty

So does integrity and abiding by your agreements.

But then, that's an alien concept for your group, eh?

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

Okay -- first of all I am so sorry I am joining the hijack, but "if Gore had been elected"? Huh? Popsicle sticks have more personality than that jagnut (and I'm a democrat). He was NEVER gonna get elected. The Republicans could have run a cardboard box and Gore would have lost, even if by a few thousand hanging chads.


Back to thread -- Delta cancels them too apparently.

Gore was never going to get elected? Huh? NewsFlash: He won the popular vote. More Americans voted for him than the current moron in the white house.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Gore was never going to get elected? Huh? NewsFlash: He won the popular vote. More Americans voted for him than the current moron in the white house.

You're right (but considering how many dead people and convicts voted for Al Gore, maybe the spread is just a statistical wash -- ha). Excuse me, I should have said -- he was never going to be SOUNDLY elected. The fact that he couldn't beat "the current moron" speaks volumes. Maybe the fact that 50% voted for each moron speaks volumes as well.

Popular vote don't elect presidents. Four times in our history.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/media/media_watch/jan-june01/recount_4-3.html

 

[Rick James]

A very large percentage of airline pilots do vote Republican. They like to be macho and vote for Bush instead of Gore or then Kerry. That's the whole problem today. If Gore had of been elected the airline business would be much better today and I doubt these classes would be cancelled. It would probably still be age-60 for another year or more too.

Most will again be macho (stupid) and vote Republican.

Thanks for calling me stupid, I doubt you would do that to my face. Your post is pure conjecture and of no value. Is spring break over with yet?

 

[Andy]

Rick, don't feed the trolls.

 

[contrail67]

My official return to UAL's payroll is 1 April; I will be on military orders but burning leave. I thought that the return date was appropriate.

So did your class get cancelled too Andy?...or are they just offering a class to returning pilots.

 

[contrail67]

Not only cancelled your class but recinded your job offer? You're a bright future United family member one day and dirt the next?

That is BS.

Gup

When is SWA suppose to empty their pool...how many are still in it?

 

[Andy]

So did your class get cancelled too Andy?...or are they just offering a class to returning pilots.

No, nor would I expect them to cancel my training.

Interestingly, UAL's been calling a bunch of mil leavers and asking them when they are returning to UAL.
They are also checking on valid military orders. I know this last sentence, because I was IAD flight ops yesterday afternoon to update my home address. The woman at the desk went to her sheet of mil leavers and said something along those lines and started looking for my name. She didn't find my name on the list because I had already faxed them a copy of my orders back in Feb.

I think that a big reason for doing this is because of the number of UAL pilots on leave of absence and mil leave. Here are the numbers from January:
Total pilots: 7409
Active pilots: 6332
Mil leave: 644
Leave of absence: 187

They already know when the leave of absence pilots are returning because there is a set period of time they're allowed to be on LOA; IIRC it's 24 months max. So that number will decrease dramatically by the end of 2008.
The mil leave number is more of a conundrum. As a reservist, you're only allowed to be on orders for 1095 out of a 1460 day rolling calendar. That was a policy implemented almost three years ago, and many reservists on mil leave have been on continuous man day orders. That 1095 should be reached for most of us at the end of September. So there's the potential for United's active pilots to increase significantly come this fall.
When UAL had 20+ retirements a month, the large number of mil leave/leave of absence wasn't a problem. However, with very little attrition, the company now has to plan for them to return. My bet, based on the numbers I've tracked over the last few months (from UAL reports) is that 10-20% of those on mil lv/LOA will not return to UAL.

 

[sleeves]

So does integrity and abiding by your agreements.

But then, that's an alien concept for your group, eh?

Ya, these guys are something else.

 

[GogglesPisano]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/media/media_watch/jan-june01/recount_4-3.html[/URL]

I thought I was the only one who watched the Newshour here.

Chef, you give me reason to place hope in my fellow pilot. :beer:

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Thanks for calling me stupid, I doubt you would do that to my face.

If you are a member of a union that represents your interests and yet you cast a vote contary to those intrests that does sound stupid. So if the shoe fits....

And if the result of votes like yours produces a situation contary to your union's interests.....you'll have to wear it.

That translates into less pay, more work, furloughs, bankrupcy, etc.

Many pilots are just stupid in this regard. Unless you are a violent person or one who can not control his temper I would certainly not mind discussing this with you in person.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

My bet, based on the numbers I've tracked over the last few months (from UAL reports) is that 10-20% of those on mil lv/LOA will not return to UAL.

Andy: Can you still save yourself and join that 10-20%? The remaining 80% may be boarding the Titanic.

UAL has absolutely no interest in spending money on anything for the future; that is now clear. And that says something most certainly: Their interest is selling off the airline in parts or as a whole to make the most for themselves (top management) and the large capital investors as they have done before. Anyone who can not see this is simply in denial. Denial is a self-defense mechanism to ease your brain from reality.

Andy, you may be closer to this: Can you name one thing that UAL is spending money on for the long term future, like airplanes or such equipment. UAL only buys things for the NOW for a reason. Can you not see that?

 

[Chairman]

Just upgraded all the FMC's on the 737's some of which will be parked soon!

 

[RP170]

If Gore had of been elected the airline business would be much better today and I doubt these classes would be cancelled.

Right......where do people come up with this stuff?

 

[MountainFreak]

Andy:
What is this about the rolling calender and reserve orders? I was under the impression we had up to 5 yrs under Federal law or 6 years under United policy.
Is this something new that United was supposed to tell us, but the message never got through? (Wouldn't be the first time).
Thanks in advance for any info you can give!

 

[Klamath]

double post

 

[Klamath]

Mountain Freak,

Andy is talking Air Force (possibly DOD) policy that reservist can not be on continuous orders beyond 1,040 days (not sure of the exact number). United has nothing to do with it. If you can get a waiver from your command to serve 4 years straight, more power to you! Now if you are active duty then these numbers probably don't mean a thing.

 

[MountainFreak]

Got it, now the world makes sense.

That number may be important now; with the latest and greatest downturn in the airline industry we may want to be on orders as much as possible...