$200 to vote for USAPA.. open your wallets

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Looks like if you are a USAPA guy your vote comes with a cost... AT LEAST $200.....

http://1.usairlinepilots.org/donate1.htm

We have asked and you have stepped up - thank you! We are doing very well financially, running with ample cash reserves based upon the continuing stream of donations received. That said, based upon our projected needs we need every pilot to contribute at least $200 and to do so as soon as possible so that we have ample cash on-hand for contingencies and legal expenses. If you can only manage a $50 donation using your credit card, please do so - hopefully a fellow pilot can make up the difference. Let us be as clear about this as we can: we will not have sufficient funds to complete this journey if every pilot doesn't pull his or her own weight.
Your support has been nothing short of phenomenal - thanks again.
Do it now.

Democracy cost money! Ask FL and MI! Parker is going to suck the accounts of USAPA dry... and USAPA is going to keep coming to its pilots for more money....

If you don't send money in with your vote... a Kid at the Make a Wish Foundation has a better chance!


nmb vote for USAPA- $200
Watching Parker systematically destroy USAPA as its pilots feed $100 bills into the USAPA shredder

Priceless!!



Finally... what is the dues rate going to be!!! Cha-Ching!!!

 

[BOYCAPTAIN]

http://web.mac.com/dvcapture/USAPA/PHX.html

 

[JoeMerchant]

Boycaptain...

At what age did you make captain at FDX?

 

[BOYCAPTAIN]

A300 35 why?

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Boycaptain...

At what age did you make captain at FDX?

I don't care what age he was when he did I just want to know if he can handle all that in his avtar:laugh:

WD.

 

[JoeMerchant]

A300 35 why?

.....because I suspect the point of view on ALPA is different for a 35 year old FDX A300 Capt. then it is for a USAirways pilot....Your view is different.....

 

[BOYCAPTAIN]

.....because I suspect the point of view on ALPA is different for a 35 year old FDX A300 Capt. then it is for a USAirways pilot....Your view is different.....

well i have seen both...i have seen what an independant union can do and what ALPA can do...if the crewforce is not unified u will accomplish nothing!
We(fdx pilots) have played this game...it started with the Tiger merger...watch the videos i posted....it's the same hostility...good luck!

I hope it all works out, but my AWA buds will not go anywhere near USAPA.

 

[AnimalTale]

http://web.mac.com/dvcapture/USAPA/PHX.html

Awesome Video!!!

I am so sick of these USAIR "EAST" guys trying to "F" things up for the West guys.

I have no side here, except East was going to be liquidated if it weren't for AWA.

CYA

 

[JoeMerchant]

well i have seen both...i have seen what an independant union can do and what ALPA can do...if the crewforce is not unified u will accomplish nothing!
We(fdx pilots) have played this game...it started with the Tiger merger...watch the videos i posted....it's the same hostility...good luck!

I hope it all works out, but my AWA buds will not go anywhere near USAPA.

1. It's clear this group won't be unified with USAPA or ALPA.....do you really think they will be unified with ALPA?

2. You weren't there when the Flying Tigers merger happened.....I suspect you have never had your seniority threatened.....If you do, you may change your tune.....

3. A 35 year old FDX A300 captain has it better than just about every other ALPA member.....many others haven't had it so good....They are going to have a different perspective.....

 

[BOYCAPTAIN]

3. A 35 year old FDX A300 captain has it better than just about every other ALPA member.....many others haven't had it so good....They are going to have a different perspective.....

You might be right...it was ALPA that got us our last contract which was the richest in airline history!

 

[JoeMerchant]

You might be right...it was ALPA that got us our last contract which was the richest in airline history!

.....at one time USAirways had one of the richest contracts....The pax business is much different than the cargo business....ALPA may be able to deliver a "rich" contract....but it can't protect your job....or allow you to transfer your seniority across company lines....

Many FO's at USairways were hired while you were still a teenager.....

Perspective is important.....

 

[BOYCAPTAIN]

.....Perspective is important.....

You are right! Welcome to aviation!!!

 

[Dan Roman]

I said this elsewere, but the AWA guys I've talked to seem pretty reasonable and the Usair East guys sound like bitter irrational divorcee's. ALPA may not be perfect and it's biggest critics are usually the guys who do the least to make it better, but you are trying to isolate yourself from the rest of the profession at the expense of not just yourself, but all pilots. THANKS "BROTHERS"! These are tough times for the industry and it's probably going to get a lot worse, how you handle adversity speaks volumes and you guys are not doing a very good job.

 

[Doug Parker]

Many FO's at USairways were hired while you were still a teenager.....

Perspective is important.....

Sucks to be them............now they are trying to "Take it back" on the backs of the AWA pilots!

F-that!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

.ALPA may be able to deliver a "rich" contract....but it can't protect your job....or allow you to transfer your seniority across company lines.........

Did ALPA promise to run the company so there would be job protection?

Did ALPA promise to transfer seniorty?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Did ALPA promise to run the company so there would be job protection?

Did ALPA promise to transfer seniorty?

Nope....and that is why many of us don't support ALPA anymore....Job protection is number one for many of us....ALPA can't deliver......

I don't care about the contract if I don't have a job....

 

[outtahere]

Joe have you ever heard the phrase pissing in the wind? Thats you, and you're at full stream brother. All of what you say has merit, but you have to start somewhere. Instead of pissing in the wind try and do something about it. You can't have it all at one time.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

I don't care what age he was when he did I just want to know if he can handle all that in his avtar:laugh:

WD.

Yeah buuuooooyy! That's what I call:

More cushion for the pushin!!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Nope....and that is why many of us don't support ALPA anymore....Job protection is number one for many of us....ALPA can't deliver......

I don't care about the contract if I don't have a job....

More contridictions....

 

[JoeMerchant]

More contridictions....

What good is an industry leading contract if you don't have a job....What contradiction is that?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe have you ever heard the phrase pissing in the wind? Thats you, and you're at full stream brother. All of what you say has merit, but you have to start somewhere. Instead of pissing in the wind try and do something about it. You can't have it all at one time.

You say "all of what you say has merit".....what are YOU doing about it? What are YOUR solutions....

I understand "you can't have it all at once"......but we are moving backwards....not forwards......

What would YOU do?

 

[737 Pylt]

You say "all of what you say has merit".....what are YOU doing about it? What are YOUR solutions....

I understand "you can't have it all at once"......but we are moving backwards....not forwards......

What would YOU do?

How about a mult $$million lawsuit aimed at bankrupting the union while unilaterally trying to steal the seniority from Delta pilots who actually interviewed and got their jobs without paying the price of an overpaid lawyer!

737

 

[JoeMerchant]

How about a mult $$million lawsuit aimed at bankrupting the union while unilaterally trying to steal the seniority from Delta pilots who actually interviewed and got their jobs without paying the price of an overpaid lawyer!

737

Nobody's trying to steal your seniority.....We are just trying to protect our seniority....Why do you guys want our seats when things go bad at the "show"? We are getting ready to go into another downturn and I bet some of these RJ jobs are going to look good again for the next round of furloughs.....

You fly your airplanes and we'll fly our airplanes.....Deal?

 

[737 Pylt]

Nobody's trying to steal your seniority.....We are just trying to protect our seniority....Why do you guys want our seats when things go bad at the "show"?

Joe:
Nobody wants your seats. Matter of fact, you guys (ASA) showed some good heart allowing some of our furloughed pilots to go to the BOTTOM of your seniority list to keep flying until their job came back.

We are getting ready to go into another downturn and I bet some of these RJ jobs are going to look good again for the next round of furloughs.....

I don't think it will come to that.

You fly your airplanes and we'll fly our airplanes.....Deal?

Just don't reinvent the rjdc......We don't want to fly your airplanes.
Also don't forget, "your airplanes," are subject to the DAL pilots' PWA!

737

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe:
Nobody wants your seats. Matter of fact, you guys (ASA) showed some good heart allowing some of our furloughed pilots to go to the BOTTOM of your seniority list to keep flying until their job came back.


I don't think it will come to that.


Just don't reinvent the rjdc......We don't want to fly your airplanes.
Also don't forget, "your airplanes," are subject to the DAL pilots' PWA!

737

Members of the ASA MEC have said the RJDC lawsuit helped prevent a "jets4jobs" deal here.....You guys are welcome at the bottom like any newhire.....but no super-seniority....

My airplane is not subject to your bargaining chip.....That thinking will be the final nail in ALPA's coffin....I will do anything and everything to protect my job....It isn't a bargaining chip for the failed mainline/ALPA strategy......

You don't have enough negotiating capital to take the flying back anyway....otherwise you would have already done it......

 

[737 Pylt]

Members of the ASA MEC have said the RJDC lawsuit helped prevent a "jets4jobs" deal here.....

You are extremely dilusional if you think the rjdc lawsuit helped anyone but your lawyer!

You guys are welcome at the bottom like any newhire.....but no super-seniority....

Likewise, I think we can agree here.

My airplane is not subject to your bargaining chip.....

Its not a bargaining chip, however, your airplane exists because the Delta PWA allowed it.

That thinking will be the final nail in ALPA's coffin....I will do anything and everything to protect my job....It isn't a bargaining chip for the failed mainline/ALPA strategy......

Nobody said it was. However, you seem to fail to recognize that without Delta, your airplane, your job, and your company, fail to exist.
I'll give you that ALPA has its faults, but your answer to it is all wrong!

You don't have enough negotiating capital to take the flying back anyway....otherwise you would have already done it......

I don't want to take it back.....That ship has sailed, what I don't want is to let the camel's nose further under the tent. We've already let too much flying go.

737

 

[JoeMerchant]

Nobody said it was. However, you seem to fail to recognize that without Delta, your airplane, your job, and your company, fail to exist.
I'll give you that ALPA has its faults, but your answer to it is all wrong!

Where would Delta be right now if every DCI airplane stopped flying? Honest answer please!

 

[737 Pylt]

Where would Delta be right now if every DCI airplane stopped flying? Honest answer please!

Out of business, of course. You still don't get it. YOUR flying is subject to the DAL pilots' PWA. Why is that so hard to understand. THe flying you have now is GONE. I understand that, so does 88.8% of the DAL pilot group. The problem I don't want to see is MORE flying given to the regionals. Why is that so difficult?
Honest answer please!

737

 

[JoeMerchant]

Out of business!

737

So you seem to fail to recognize that without DCI, your airplane, your job, and your company, fail to exist.

Can we agree that we are dependent on each other at this point?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Out of business, of course. You still don't get it. YOUR flying is subject to the DAL pilots' PWA. Why is that so hard to understand. THe flying you have now is GONE. I understand that, so does 88.8% of the DAL pilot group. The problem I don't want to see is MORE flying given to the regionals. Why is that so difficult?
Honest answer please!

737

You changed your answer after I responded....You admit that you are dependent on DCI now also......There was a huge mistake getting to this point.....It was started before you or I got involved....but now you are dependent on us and we are dependent on you.....If this union is going to work....we have to acknowledge that fact.....