$200 to vote for USAPA.. open your wallets

[JoeMerchant]

Did ALPA promise to run the company so there would be job protection?

Did ALPA promise to transfer seniorty?

Nope....and that is why many of us don't support ALPA anymore....Job protection is number one for many of us....ALPA can't deliver......

I don't care about the contract if I don't have a job....

 

[outtahere]

Joe have you ever heard the phrase pissing in the wind? Thats you, and you're at full stream brother. All of what you say has merit, but you have to start somewhere. Instead of pissing in the wind try and do something about it. You can't have it all at one time.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

I don't care what age he was when he did I just want to know if he can handle all that in his avtar:laugh:

WD.

Yeah buuuooooyy! That's what I call:

More cushion for the pushin!!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Nope....and that is why many of us don't support ALPA anymore....Job protection is number one for many of us....ALPA can't deliver......

I don't care about the contract if I don't have a job....

More contridictions....

 

[JoeMerchant]

More contridictions....

What good is an industry leading contract if you don't have a job....What contradiction is that?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe have you ever heard the phrase pissing in the wind? Thats you, and you're at full stream brother. All of what you say has merit, but you have to start somewhere. Instead of pissing in the wind try and do something about it. You can't have it all at one time.

You say "all of what you say has merit".....what are YOU doing about it? What are YOUR solutions....

I understand "you can't have it all at once"......but we are moving backwards....not forwards......

What would YOU do?

 

[737 Pylt]

You say "all of what you say has merit".....what are YOU doing about it? What are YOUR solutions....

I understand "you can't have it all at once"......but we are moving backwards....not forwards......

What would YOU do?

How about a mult $$million lawsuit aimed at bankrupting the union while unilaterally trying to steal the seniority from Delta pilots who actually interviewed and got their jobs without paying the price of an overpaid lawyer!

737

 

[JoeMerchant]

How about a mult $$million lawsuit aimed at bankrupting the union while unilaterally trying to steal the seniority from Delta pilots who actually interviewed and got their jobs without paying the price of an overpaid lawyer!

737

Nobody's trying to steal your seniority.....We are just trying to protect our seniority....Why do you guys want our seats when things go bad at the "show"? We are getting ready to go into another downturn and I bet some of these RJ jobs are going to look good again for the next round of furloughs.....

You fly your airplanes and we'll fly our airplanes.....Deal?

 

[737 Pylt]

Nobody's trying to steal your seniority.....We are just trying to protect our seniority....Why do you guys want our seats when things go bad at the "show"?

Joe:
Nobody wants your seats. Matter of fact, you guys (ASA) showed some good heart allowing some of our furloughed pilots to go to the BOTTOM of your seniority list to keep flying until their job came back.

We are getting ready to go into another downturn and I bet some of these RJ jobs are going to look good again for the next round of furloughs.....

I don't think it will come to that.

You fly your airplanes and we'll fly our airplanes.....Deal?

Just don't reinvent the rjdc......We don't want to fly your airplanes.
Also don't forget, "your airplanes," are subject to the DAL pilots' PWA!

737

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe:
Nobody wants your seats. Matter of fact, you guys (ASA) showed some good heart allowing some of our furloughed pilots to go to the BOTTOM of your seniority list to keep flying until their job came back.


I don't think it will come to that.


Just don't reinvent the rjdc......We don't want to fly your airplanes.
Also don't forget, "your airplanes," are subject to the DAL pilots' PWA!

737

Members of the ASA MEC have said the RJDC lawsuit helped prevent a "jets4jobs" deal here.....You guys are welcome at the bottom like any newhire.....but no super-seniority....

My airplane is not subject to your bargaining chip.....That thinking will be the final nail in ALPA's coffin....I will do anything and everything to protect my job....It isn't a bargaining chip for the failed mainline/ALPA strategy......

You don't have enough negotiating capital to take the flying back anyway....otherwise you would have already done it......

 

[737 Pylt]

Members of the ASA MEC have said the RJDC lawsuit helped prevent a "jets4jobs" deal here.....

You are extremely dilusional if you think the rjdc lawsuit helped anyone but your lawyer!

You guys are welcome at the bottom like any newhire.....but no super-seniority....

Likewise, I think we can agree here.

My airplane is not subject to your bargaining chip.....

Its not a bargaining chip, however, your airplane exists because the Delta PWA allowed it.

That thinking will be the final nail in ALPA's coffin....I will do anything and everything to protect my job....It isn't a bargaining chip for the failed mainline/ALPA strategy......

Nobody said it was. However, you seem to fail to recognize that without Delta, your airplane, your job, and your company, fail to exist.
I'll give you that ALPA has its faults, but your answer to it is all wrong!

You don't have enough negotiating capital to take the flying back anyway....otherwise you would have already done it......

I don't want to take it back.....That ship has sailed, what I don't want is to let the camel's nose further under the tent. We've already let too much flying go.

737

 

[JoeMerchant]

Nobody said it was. However, you seem to fail to recognize that without Delta, your airplane, your job, and your company, fail to exist.
I'll give you that ALPA has its faults, but your answer to it is all wrong!

Where would Delta be right now if every DCI airplane stopped flying? Honest answer please!

 

[737 Pylt]

Where would Delta be right now if every DCI airplane stopped flying? Honest answer please!

Out of business, of course. You still don't get it. YOUR flying is subject to the DAL pilots' PWA. Why is that so hard to understand. THe flying you have now is GONE. I understand that, so does 88.8% of the DAL pilot group. The problem I don't want to see is MORE flying given to the regionals. Why is that so difficult?
Honest answer please!

737

 

[JoeMerchant]

Out of business!

737

So you seem to fail to recognize that without DCI, your airplane, your job, and your company, fail to exist.

Can we agree that we are dependent on each other at this point?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Out of business, of course. You still don't get it. YOUR flying is subject to the DAL pilots' PWA. Why is that so hard to understand. THe flying you have now is GONE. I understand that, so does 88.8% of the DAL pilot group. The problem I don't want to see is MORE flying given to the regionals. Why is that so difficult?
Honest answer please!

737

You changed your answer after I responded....You admit that you are dependent on DCI now also......There was a huge mistake getting to this point.....It was started before you or I got involved....but now you are dependent on us and we are dependent on you.....If this union is going to work....we have to acknowledge that fact.....