Comair net conference

[PA44Jockey]

Would like to hear your thoughts on it?

 

[JonnyKnoxville]

Missed the first 15 minutes...That appeared to be when all the information came out because the last 45 minutes I did not learn anything new.

More aircraft leaving the fleet, or were they the same ones previously announced?

 

[PA44Jockey]

Basically right now the fleet is around 130 a/c and they are talking about going from 115(not exact) 50 seaters down to 85 by 2009. Also going down 2 in the 70 seat category and ending up with a total of 14 in the 900.

These number aren't exact, but what I recall. They should be posted soon.

They keep saying that if we get our cost structure down that we will be more competitive for flying for other people. There can't be a single pilot at Comair that still believes this after we accepted the wages we are at now and have continued to shrink.

The only way to get more flying is if we are sold. Delta isn't going to let us do flying for other carriers unless Delta gets money for it.

 

[clarkwgriswald]

More of the same:
1.We cost too much
2.Oil is Expensive
3.We cost too much
4. More ground handling oppurtunities
5. WE cost too much

 

[TristarJS30]

Only important things I got out of this was:
A) We have bids out for flying from 2 or 3 other majors. No timeline when we hear about it.
B) We are too expensive.
C) We are getting the new Maestro scheduling system starting in April and Flight Attendants in the summer. It's a net based click and drag that brings us from 1979 to 2008. I didnt quite get if they were going to test it on the crews in April or it goes into full service in April. They said scheduling has been testing it behind the scenes for awhile.
D) Someone asked about new bases, specifically Boston. Soaper gave a half assed answer and said that since our BOS flying isn't gauranteed its not worth opening a base to close it two months later.
E) As Clarkgriswald said, they mentioned we are way to expensive numerous times.
F) Everything else was skillfully avoided and half-answered like good politicians.

 

[BoilerUP]

More of the same:
1.We cost too much
2.Oil is Expensive
3.We cost too much
4. More ground handling oppurtunities
5. WE cost too much

Sound's like Air Wisconsin's theme song since 2005...

 

[crjdxr]

Buncha sloptwat **************************************************s running this joint. At least I now know what S*********'s voice sounds like. Jeebus H. Titty********************ing Cripes, we're too expensive? Wage freezes, wage cuts, benefit cuts?!? These jackholes couldn't make it work after the multiple dry anal jackhammerings they gave the workforce? These rectal pollyps couldn't manage a lemonade stand.

 

[JECKEL]

Don't Forget

-Big improvement to the Ovation recognition program.

-Deadheading is actually more efficient and cost effective than an overnight at Best Western.

-Four and five hour sits in outstation terminals is an expected norm for anyone doing a hub and spoke operations.

AND

-We are still too expensive to be competitive
-We will continue to shrink to more profitability

 

[crjdxr]

Oh, and the F/O's make less money than a crack ho in a convent. Yet Slobmyknobeeoo blows a wad on a netconference? Nice. Send a memo next time. It'll come in handy when I have to wipe the ******************** shrapnel off my ass when the explosive diarrhea I get listening to this verbal laxative comes thundering home.

 

[V-1]

Seriously, what did you guys/girls expect?

 

[DrewBlows]

Basically right now the fleet is around 130 a/c and they are talking about going from 115(not exact) 50 seaters down to 85 by 2009. Also going down 2 in the 70 seat category and ending up with a total of 14 in the 900.

This sound like the minimum fleet number that was guaranteed by LOA 2006. I no longer have access to the online contract. Maybe someone with access to it can post the minimum fleet number? I have a hunch that will be the actual fleet number.

 

[Homer Jay]

Sorry to hear the $#!t continues to hit the fan over there. I can sum up the five years I worked there in one word...MISERABLE!!!

 

[PA44Jockey]

Sorry to hear the $#!t continues to hit the fan over there. I can sum up the five years I worked there in one word...MISERABLE!!!

According to the conference today Comair is a WONDERFUL place to work and any job in the airline industry is still the best job anyone could ever have.

 

[homerjdispatch]

According to the conference today Comair is a WONDERFUL place to work and any job in the airline industry is still the best job anyone could ever have.

Are you sure that wasnt the MESA call? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

 

[CRJFlyer]

It would be nice to see a pilot at one of these meetings tell management what they really think of the job they're doing!!

After he already has a class date somewhere else of course.

Before I left I had millions of ideas that I wanted to get of my chest. Especially to a certain short chief pilot that refered to himself as a good ole boy from Tenn. But I never got the chance, and my new gig doesn't airline me through CVG ever, so I may never get the chance..:uzi:

 

[Beaufighter]

Was the "good ole boy" from Tenn. the point man of the infamous "hat/cover police"-busting new hires that had not even received their "covers"?

 

[pilotguy143]

yea.... bad news, mr is gone :-(

 

[CRJFlyer]

that would be him.....he only caught me 3 or 4 times with out a hat before he made up some other idea to get me in trouble.. he threatened to fire me once (over the hat), when I had called the CP office about a totally unrelated question.

I had a lousy rep. in a meeting with him who wanted me to admit guilt just to get them off my back..I even asked which flight he was referring to and he didn't know. I had to get advice from a real union person from a local near home to realize what a piece of sh!t she was as a rep...

And what a dickhead he was.. he was even rude to my wife after that and she had worked in ops with him for like 6 years.

where did he go? last I heard he was on the 70/90 seater...Hope he didn't go to NJ cause then I wouldn't be able to kick him in the balls next time i see his a$$.

 

[samballs]

that would be him.....he only caught me 3 or 4 times with out a hat before he made up some other idea to get me in trouble.. he threatened to fire me once (over the hat), when I had called the CP office about a totally unrelated question.

I had a lousy rep. in a meeting with him who wanted me to admit guilt just to get them off my back..I even asked which flight he was referring to and he didn't know. I had to get advice from a real union person from a local near home to realize what a piece of sh!t she was as a rep...

And what a dickhead he was.. he was even rude to my wife after that and she had worked in ops with him for like 6 years.

where did he go? last I heard he was on the 70/90 seater...Hope he didn't go to NJ cause then I wouldn't be able to kick him in the balls next time i see his a$$.

He just got sent back to the line, his hand touched one too many woman. He did get the choice though fired or back to the line.

 

[JetPilot_Mike]

I thought he got sent back to the line for screwing that guy out of his CAL job and costing Comair several million dollars.

I sure don't miss that place.

 

[captainv]

I thought he got sent back to the line for screwing that guy out of his CAL job and costing Comair several million dollars.

I sure don't miss that place.

It cost Comair money, but nothing like that. I heard a couple hundred grand. Comair was adamant that they not admit fault, thus he wasn't sent to the line because, thanks to the settlement, he didn't do anything wrong, legally. Something else happened later, and he was given the option to resign as CP and fly the line, or risk being fired if anything more happened in the future. That's the version I heard...

 

[wmuflyguy]

It cost Comair money, but nothing like that. I heard a couple hundred grand. Comair was adamant that they not admit fault, thus he wasn't sent to the line because, thanks to the settlement, he didn't do anything wrong, legally. Something else happened later, and he was given the option to resign as CP and fly the line, or risk being fired if anything more happened in the future. That's the version I heard...

Rumor has it the Continental thing turned out to be a settlement in the middle 7 figures.

 

[doh]

Don't Forget

-Big improvement to the Ovation recognition program.

-Deadheading is actually more efficient and cost effective than an overnight at Best Western.

-Four and five hour sits in outstation terminals is an expected norm for anyone doing a hub and spoke operations.

AND

-We are still too expensive to be competitive
-We will continue to shrink to more profitability

If they are going to make you sit 4-5 hours, they need to give you some place where you can sit! That was such a p!sser for me. Those asshats would put you some place with no chairs in operations, and tell you not to start the APU and sit on the airplane. God I hate CMR management, and I especially hate those effers in Delta management.

 

[Buddro]

Rumor has it the Continental thing turned out to be a settlement in the middle 7 figures.

Doubt it, I know the guy. He legally can't say how much but I know for a fact it's not in the millions!!!! Why the hell is he still working....?

 

[wmuflyguy]

Doubt it, I know the guy. He legally can't say how much but I know for a fact it's not in the millions!!!! Why the hell is he still working....?

Than I got bad info...not the first time

 

[doh]

Who's DMB? I agree that we should celebrate, but who is he?

 

[BoilerUP]

Who's DMB? I agree that we should celebrate, but who is he?

Dave Matthews Band.

 

[doh]

Showing my age. Thanks.

 

[jetjock6]

Was the "good ole boy" from Tenn. the point man of the infamous "hat/cover police"-busting new hires that had not even received their "covers"?

The best one is the time he ran up behind a pilot who was carrying his hat under his arm by the turnstiles in terminal one. He snatched the hat out from under the guys arm only to find out it was a Delta pilot. The guy grabbed the hat back out of his hand while short stuff stood there with a dumb look on his face.

I don't think there was a pilot at Comair, myself included, that didn't have a personal story about a run in with him. He was very unprofessional and nothing more then a little sawed off smart a$$.

 

[DrewBlows]

Doubt it, I know the guy. He legally can't say how much but I know for a fact it's not in the millions!!!! Why the hell is he still working....?

Uh...I'm not sure a "thousandaire" necessarily has the means to stop working.

On another note. My experience with Comair can be summed up by two experiences, both on my last assigned trip before I was scheduled to be furloughed. The first was a run-in with a chief pilot as I walked into the crew room before the trip. I didn't have a hat on because the hat supplier didn't have any, therefore I didn't own one. The chief stopped me from behind, introduced himself as a chief pilot and asked why I wasn't wearing my hat. I explained it to him and his response was "oh". He wasn't particularly nasty but the fact that he would make a hat an issue four days before a few hundred people were losing their jobs, irritated me and made me wonder if the company really understood the big picture.

On the last day of the trip I received a call from crew scheduling. The next day I was supposed to be out of a job, but I heard a voice on the other end tell me that they were short staffed and wanted to junior man me!! I should have taken that as a sign and never looked back, but I ended up going back for another year and a half and was never really happy.

I figured out what was best for me, eventually, and have been happier since.