Compass Flow through with NWA

[Fly4hire]

Certainly no Compass pilot should be placed ahead of any Delta newhire pilot. Bottom of the list would be likely.

Well, no CPZ pilot has flowed yet, and when they do they are a new hire, and bottom of the list by definition.

OTOH, if any CPZ pilots flow to NWA before the operational integration, they are NWA pilots, and go where ever their seniority slots them.

Now put your big girl panties on and deal with it.

 

[Superpilot92]

Well, no CPZ pilot has flowed yet, and when they do they are a new hire, and bottom of the list by definition.

OTOH, if any CPZ pilots flow to NWA before the operational integration, they are NWA pilots, and go where ever their seniority slots them.

Now put your big girl panties on and deal with it.

they cant even begin to flow for another year and a half or so.

 

[BOHICAgain]

If the merger goes through it will take 2 years or more so the possibility if NWA is still hiring that Compass pilots will flow up just to flow back down when the list is merged

 

[~~~^~~~]

As I understand the flow, only the number of mainline pilots that flowed up to NWA can flow back to Compass. So if Compass and Mesaba get 72 RJ's while NWA loses 36 DC-9's mainline pilots can still be furloughed while the regional is hiring and training new Captains.... is that correct?

On the other side, there is no guarantee that a Compass pilot will get the employment at NWA that they were promised. No guarantee that his work at an RJ operator will ever provide a better job opportunity than simply applying directly.

and how is that better than one list?

 

[Occam's Razor]

As I understand the flow, only the number of mainline pilots that flowed up to NWA can flow back to Compass. So if Compass and Mesaba get 72 RJ's while NWA loses 36 DC-9's mainline pilots can still be furloughed while the regional is hiring and training new Captains.... is that correct?

No. The number of mainline pilots that can flow down to Compass is not dependent on the number who flowed up.

NWA will lose DC-9's. We'll lose A330's too. Naturally, some will reach their extended service life before others will. The RJ ratio is Section 1 is a snapshot. Interestingly, if the merger happens, the ratio dies and is replaced by a hard cap on RJ's.

On the other side, there is no guarantee that a Compass pilot will get the employment at NWA that they were promised. No guarantee that his work at an RJ operator will ever provide a better job opportunity than simply applying directly.

As written...you are correct. By the same logic, there is no guarantee that you'll ever be a mainline captain. Events beyond your control could render your expectations moot.

That's the biz, bubba!

 

[~~~^~~~]

Thank you for the good information.

Any ideas on how the two Airlines' Section 1 ratios will be consolidated? Sounds like NWA has better scope.

 

[XJohXJ]

Compass and Mesaba have very different flow agreements. When Mesaba became wholly owned, mainline ALPA negotiated a flow to bring us into agreement with their current contract. Mesaba's ALPA and mainline's ALPA worked together to come up with a decent deal for all.

Mesaba's flow is the one which limits flow backs to no more than the amount who flowed up. IOW: No current Mesaba hire can find themselves in a lower seniority than they currently hold, due to flow backs. I believe the seniority numbers associated with flow up pilots remain empty, on the list, labeled as "flow", so no pilot can ever have a false sense of security regarding potential flow backs.

Mesaba pilots started to flow in Jan 08, 3 per month until Autumn, when it goes up to 9 per month (if there is even any hiring happening then.....). However, no one has flowed yet, as all jet Captains are being held back for 3 months from the flow.

 

[SplitBar]

1 DTW Saab driver flowed.

 

[XJohXJ]

Thanks, that's good that at least the Saab guys can go right away.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Thank you for the good information.

Any ideas on how the two Airlines' Section 1 ratios will be consolidated? Sounds like NWA has better scope.

There will be no ratios! There will be a hard cap of RJ's that will not be indexed to the number of mainline aircraft. There is also a Section 3 deletion to the NWA contract that, when combined with the hard cap, will mean all future "large RJ's" must be flown at the merged mainline, at rates TBD.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Thanks, that's good that at least the Saab guys can go right away.

Actually, 3 Mesaba pilots have flowed. One was in the Feb 11th class at NWA, and the other two were given a NWA seniority number and a "time stamp" on their longevity clock.

 

[Superpilot92]

There will be no ratios! There will be a hard cap of RJ's that will not be indexed to the number of mainline aircraft. There is also a Section 3 deletion to the NWA contract that, when combined with the hard cap, will mean all future "large RJ's" must be flown at the merged mainline, at rates TBD.

Thanks for the info, sounds good!!

 

[XJohXJ]

Actually, 3 Mesaba pilots have flowed. One was in the Feb 11th class at NWA, and the other two were given a NWA seniority number and a "time stamp" on their longevity clock.

Understood, and it's great that they have longevity. I was working off of the "body in the chair in class wearing a different ID" interpretation.

I'm glad you guys are claiming the "Large RJ" flying. Does that include 76 seat RJ's, or is it the next step bigger?

 

[BLing]

Where would NWA mainline pilots that flow back to Compass find themselves on the Compass seniority list? Top or bottom?

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Where would NWA mainline pilots that flow back to Compass find themselves on the Compass seniority list? Top or bottom?

Top, as I understand it.