Delta-Northwest Deal at Risk

[Jmoney]

Tool!!!!!

Sure, that makes sense. You are also bringing planes to the table that will likely be parked sooner than later, and that includes the 68 larger DC9s. You have no replacement order for those, except E175s for Compass. Your only outstanding order I believe is the 787 order, which is being delayed constantly. None of your hubs are desireable to anyone of our pilots, unless they commute from there, unlike our warmer hubs to the south, which sound like heaven to your commuters. But hey, if you want to keep your current management and go forward, then that is up to your negotiators, who sound like Easties from USAir (if the reports are right). Let's hope for fair and balanced...


Bye Bye--General Lee

Can anyone here take this idiot seriously anymore? I mean, honestly, anyone who comes here under two identities multiple times daily, just to stroke his ego......Something like 15,000 posts-all about his ego?
-Truly pathetic....

General-maybe you should just erect a little shrine to your ego in the corner of your basement-visit that little shrine twelve times daily and pray to your ego-just leave all the normal people alone!

 

[Cessna340]

Nah, a percentage merger is more fair. If you are in the top 5% of one company, you should be in the top 5% of a merged company, if both companies are equal. That isn't the case of a Jetblue who started 9 years ago, but one of equal companies. Your old senior Captains are thinking our senior Captains are spring chickens who must be in their early 40s......That really is not the case......

Bye Bye--General Lee

You are on the right track and that is why in this merger relative % before and after is NOT fair. If NWA and DAL had the same % of wide to narrow then maybe, but that is not the case.

If we at DAL get the same % after as before then I just got F-ed. My post expectations to fly a wide body will be reduced if my relative position stays the same.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Remember that DAL management will more than likely be the ones at the helm. They will order more wide bodies in the coming years. That will be good for all. I do agree, but is about ego(wide body) or career earnings. I know than they do go hand in hand, but, you must remember that both sides must go for it.

 

[Cessna340]

Remember that DAL management will more than likely be the ones at the helm. They will order more wide bodies in the coming years. That will be good for all. I do agree, but is about ego(wide body) or career earnings. I know than they do go hand in hand, but, you must remember that both sides must go for it.

Working for DAL for the last 6.8 years has made several things very clear to me. One is never believe any promise of future growth or aircraft orders. Yet it amazes me how a pilot will bite at that one again and again. Another is never fall for the "union brotherhood" crap. They are not brothers and will eat their young every chance they are given. The I've got mine and make me whole crowd could not be larger at the Big D... JMHO

 

[737 Pylt]

Can anyone here take this idiot seriously anymore? I mean, honestly, anyone who comes here under two identities multiple times daily, just to stroke his ego......

Seems you're pretty good at stroking. Kind of like that description with the landing gear and the "stroke" of the wrist! Keep up the good work!

Something like 15,000 posts-all about his ego?
-Truly pathetic....

You mean kind of like you, jerk406 who is banned for now, and tanker clown.....You need help bad!

General-maybe you should just erect a little shrine to your ego in the corner of your basement-visit that little shrine twelve times daily and pray to your ego-just leave all the normal people alone!

Anyone notice that while jerk406 and tanker clown were banned this little prick showed up with more of the same useless posts! Hey jerk406, tanker clown, and whoever else you are posting as, get yourself some serious help, and for the love of all things, get back on that prozac!
Now go and get the colonel some coffee!

737

 

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Sure, that makes sense. You are also bringing planes to the table that will likely be parked sooner than later, and that includes the 68 larger DC9s. You have no replacement order for those, except E175s for Compass.

With this logic, then NWA pilots should be using the 68 787's on order for career expectations. Do you agree?

 

[fam62c]

I've got the solution!

Just agree to binding arbitration to solve this

 

[On Your Six]

I think DOH would be the most fair.

Excuse me? Who's acquiring whom? Clearly NWA has more elderly pensioner pilots. That would not be fair IMHO. I agree with current percentage formula - if you are currently at 20% of the Delta group, you should be at 20% for the combined carrier (after giving up the top 400 slots to NWA). That seems fair to me...

My question is would the Northwest pilots hold onto their pensions? Would you have a dual system - pensions and no pensions going forward? How would that work?

 

[DrewBlows]

I wonder how much of a pay raise/transition oppor-s will NWA guys get and would it affect the 8000 retirement check?

I'm not exactly sure how the NWA retirement works, but I think it's frozen, so it stays the same no matter what happens. If our friendly 757 was given a raise to Delta wages he would make a little more than $12,000 per month, or $4,000 more than he would get if he retired. This might make a difference for some, but if you weren't going to stay for $3,000 are you going to stay for $4,000?

If the 757 Capt at NWA will be able to bid 767ER in his hometown of ATL may be he will stick around a little longer?

Maybe. Everyone has their own agenda. I'm sure NWA guys who commute from the northeast and south would want to change bases if possible, just as Delta guys from the upper midwest and northwest would want to change bases. I have no clue how many there would be.

When General Lee talks about ATL as the greatest base in the history of earth, I throw up in my mouth a little bit, but I took a job so I could stay in Michigan. I'm sure Lee cringes at having to put on a winter coat to go outside in the winter. Different strokes.

I also heard that if NWA guys stay past 60 their retirement checks get smaller, is that true?

I couldn't say. I'm not sure why that would be.

 

[DrewBlows]

Basing and integration on when pilots "MIGHT" retire?

Hmmm....I don't think so, IMO.

I din't say most NWA pilots "might" retire, I said most NWA pilots "will" retire, and for a fair integration this has to be taken into account.

Most NWA guys will retire at 60 or shortly after.