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The Fed just cut the prime rate 1.25% in ten days and mortgage interest rates are still going UP. You think we're on sound financial footing? The rapacious greed of the boomer generation has created not only the on-the-books nightmare of unfunded entitlements, but the much bigger off-the-books lending nightmare of the last 30 years. The housing "crisis" is the tip of the iceberg. There is no "reserve" in the "federal reserve" anymore. 50% chance that before the end of the decade the debt gets monetized, inflation skyrockets (or worse, deflation), dollar dropped as reserve currency, and if you're not well positioned, you're standing in a bread line. 90% before 2015.

You heard it here first. This economy is a house of cards, and has been for the last 20 years (generously). And now the wind is picking up. Choosing between Hussein and McVain is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
 
Republicans don't typically count on the support of poor folks so I'm guessing he's not too broken up over this.
 
It's not just our compensation but our whole contract going to baseball style arbitration that scares me ie. work rules, insurance, etc. There is no way this would ever be good for us. I am NOT voting for McCain.
 
McCain was then commissioned an ensign, and spent two and a half years as a naval aviator in training at Naval Air Station Pensacola in Florida and Naval Air Station Corpus Christi in Texas,[19] flying A-1 Skyraiders.[20] He earned a reputation as a party man, as he drove a Corvette, dated an exotic dancer named "Marie the Flame of Florida", and, as he would later say, "generally misused my good health and youth."[10] He began as a subpar flier, with limited patience for studying aviation manuals.[21] During a practice run in Texas, his engine quit while landing, and his aircraft crashed into Corpus Christi Bay, though he escaped without major injuries.[21][19] He graduated from flight school in 1960,[22] and became a naval pilot of attack aircraft.
McCain was then stationed on the aircraft carriers USS Intrepid and USS Enterprise,[23] in the Caribbean Sea and in deployments to the Mediterranean Sea.[21] He was on alert duty on Enterprise when it imposed a blockade and quarantine of Cuba during the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.[24][22] His aviation skills improved, but he had another close call when he and his plane emerged intact from a collision with power lines, after flying too low over Spain.[21] He was rotated back to shore duty, serving as a flight instructor at Naval Air Station Meridian in Mississippi, where McCain Field was named for his grandfather.[23]
By 1964 he was in a relationship with Carol Shepp, a model originally from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; they had known each other at Annapolis and she had married and then divorced one of his classmates.[19][23] On July 3, 1965, McCain married Shepp in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.[18] McCain adopted her two children Doug and Andy,[25] who were five and three years old at the time;[23] he and Carol then had a daughter named Sidney in September 1966.[26][27][28]
In fall 1965, he had his third close call when a flameout over Norfolk, Virginia led to his ejecting safely, and his plane crashed.[21] McCain grew frustrated with his training role, and requested a combat assignment.[20] In December 1966, McCain was assigned to the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal, flying A-4 Skyhawks with the VA-46 "Clansmen";[29] his service there began with tours in the Mediterranean Sea and the Atlantic Ocean.[30] By this time, McCain's father had risen in the ranks, making rear admiral in 1958 and vice admiral in 1963.[31] In May of 1967, his father was promoted to four-star admiral, and became Commander-in-Chief, U.S. Naval Forces, Europe, stationed in London.[4]


On October 26, 1967, McCain was flying as part of a 20-plane attack against a thermal power plant in central Hanoi, a heavily defended target area that had previously been off-limits to U.S. raids.[41][42] McCain's A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by a Soviet-made SA-2 anti-aircraft missile[42] while pulling up after dropping its bombs.[43] McCain fractured both arms and a leg in being hit and ejecting from his plane.


No wonder he hates pilots. He wasn't any good at it himself
 
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No wonder he hates pilots. He wasn't any good at it himself
Please you do a disservice to everyone who flew over there. The A-4 was the most shot down airplane the Navy flew, if you flew it you were going in harms way. BTW how many jet carrier landings do you have in a jet? I thought so, anyone who has been there knows if you did it, as many times as my hero John, you must have skills that mark you as an exceptional pilot. Anyone who was there like A4forever care to chaim in and add to this.
 
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Well, I guess you'd all prefer to pay higher taxes then... Good for you. The legislation failed and he could bring it up again if he loses in November. Let's instead focus on the bigger picture - higer vs. lower taxes unless you don't care because you are loaded...

If Bush had run anything remotely resembling a balanced budget for the past 7 years, taxes would have reached unbelievable highs. It's one thing to cut taxes when you get into office, and quite another to have the discipline to make a budget to match it. Well, let's look at what all this wild spending has bought us:
  • A tremendously costly and unnecessary war that is managing to both bankrupt our country AND create more terrorists
  • A health care system that is the joke of the entire industrialized world
  • An energy policy that has helped make $100/bbl oil a reality while paying only lip service to alternative energy and climate crisis
  • A fertile climate for the outsourcing of our jobs overseas, leading to an escalating trade deficit with no end in sight. Maybe if our dollar falls some more in value, we could start exporting US goods again for less than Chinese prices!
  • Absolute abuse of bankruptcy and negotiating laws. Management can easily gut contracts in 1113 proceedings, and delay RLA negotiations indefinitely with absolutely no penalty.
  • Asleep at the wheel for everything leading up to the subprime mortgage crisis. Blame falls to greedy corps, investors, and borrowers, but the administration did nothing. I'm not even sure they saw it coming.
I'm glad you've enjoyed your low taxes so much. After my 40% pay cut, I can't say I even noticed. I did notice all of the above, however. It will take generations of good leadership to undo what the shrub has done in his 8 misguided years. I can't think of a worse candidate than McCain to start the healing.
 
I am voting for Obama. I think he is the only one that can stand up to McCain. Anyone voting for McCain must either be a future CEO or a Bible Thumper. You must be stupid to vote for a republican when just a week ago they continue to open free trade with countries like Peru and Columbia. There answer to "what about losing American jobs over it" is to train American workers to do other thinks (like work at walmart). We have become the largest supporters of Communism on the planet with our one sided trade with China. Anyone who votes republicans obviously has other agendas like religion, tax incentives that do not affect the average American, etc... Vote American, Vote Obama!
 
You should talk to the average FedEx and UPS line captain if you think that. Additionally, most of the legacy pilots are looking to get their money back in the next round.

Well see, that's precisely the problem. Not too many of us out here that make that FDX or UPS CA salary. You talk about most legacies getting their money back! I got news for you, with the judges, arbitrators and possible new laws McCain might try to pass, the legacy pilots won't have to worry about benefiting too much from those tax cuts. If he is elected none of us may ever see another decent payraise.

If this isn't true, then why is it that companies have been able to keep pilot groups in mediation forever in the last few years? Why wasn't the APA released? Why have companies been able to start alter-ego companies? Why were companies allowed to rape pilot groups' pensions and salaries for so long? I'll tell you why. Because management along with the politically appointed mediators and judges stand to profit from such moves. Pilots in general belong in that famous middle class group. And in case you haven't noticed, the middle class has been almost driven to extinction during the past few years. But I'll bet your CEO has done great.

Sorry, I'm tired of these anti labor groups. These next couple of years will be some of the most important to this profession. I will vote with my wallet and for the person that gives me the best shot at keeping some money in it.
 
WRONG! Total foreign ownership is 22% Japan is the largest owner. China owning about 5% of that 22%. Get your facts straight. Oh, but you're not showing any original thought since you're parroting DNC talking points.

Your lack of education on the issues makes you the perfect poster child (there's Che Guevara too) for an Obama supporter.

Your numbers are way off in your effort to draw the spotlight away from the facts. I see you didn't bother to make an attempt to refute anything else I said because you know the American people are correct when they give Bush an approval rating in the 30% range after 8 years of suffering through his disasterous economic and foreign policies.

I will admit that I forgot to include Japan in the mix. China and Japan hold 47% of our national debt. So how do you come up with 5% for China alone? I used round numbers of 50% total...so sue me.

Here is the link for you to verify all of this. You'll have to scroll down about 3/4 of the way, but it's there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

In one of Obama's recent Primary victory speechs, he said, "Am I my brother's keeper? Yes I am!" That goes to the heart of the difference between Republicans and Democrats. You as a Republican are all about the 'I've got mine screw everyone else' mentality. You have no compassion. You have no vision for a better country or a better world. Yet you don't want that coal burning power plant in your backyard, but it's OK to put it in someone else's. You don't give a hoot about the 54 million Americans who have no health insurance because you've got yours even if the cost of your insurance is insane. We as Democrats follow the belief that our country was founded on the principles of compassion and helping others who are less fortunate than ourselves. It also means protecting the planet, and beautifying our surroundings to pass down an even better environment to our children. That would be an anathema to someone like yourself who like a typical GOP robot spouts the Bush/Cheney greed & corruption program while the house is falling down on all sides in front of your face.
 
You heard it here first. This economy is a house of cards, and has been for the last 20 years (generously). And now the wind is picking up. Choosing between Hussein and McVain is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

You and JetJockey get it.....it's "pick your poison" with either of the two major candidates.
 
We as Democrats follow the belief that our country was founded on the principles of compassion and helping others who are less fortunate than ourselves. It also means protecting the planet, and beautifying our surroundings to pass down an even better environment to our children. That would be an anathema to someone like yourself who like a typical GOP robot spouts the Bush/Cheney greed & corruption program while the house is falling down on all sides in front of your face.

That's rich. So the Dems have the market cornered on compassion and vision? The Reps pimp off the religious and business folks while the Dems pimp off the minorities and environmentalists. Neither has a soul. But hey professional wrestling is real, right?
 
9/11 did more to hurt this industry than any republican ( Tom Daschel's airline lobbyist wife and Carter's deregulation didn't help either!)

You are right on 9-11. But Deregulation resulted in the phenominal growth we have seen in this industry since then.

At least with deregulation we no longer have the CAB ( Govt) decideing who can fly where or how much to charge. Some people don't realize that competition is a good thing...weeds out the weak...keeps those that are innovative going strong.

Tom Daschel's wife? Gee....I'm not aware of anything she did as a lobbyist. I guess any wife ofn a Republican wouldn't lower herself to making millions for using her government contacts...

...like Tom Delay's wife or daughter.....

This Indeopendent is probably gonna vote for Obama....after voting for Bush...Bush...Clinton...Bush...Reagan....Reagan...
 
Your numbers are way off in your effort to draw the spotlight away from the facts. I see you didn't bother to make an attempt to refute anything else I said because you know the American people are correct when they give Bush an approval rating in the 30% range after 8 years of suffering through his disasterous economic and foreign policies.

I will admit that I forgot to include Japan in the mix. China and Japan hold 47% of our national debt. So how do you come up with 5% for China alone? I used round numbers of 50% total...so sue me.

Here is the link for you to verify all of this. You'll have to scroll down about 3/4 of the way, but it's there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

In one of Obama's recent Primary victory speechs, he said, "Am I my brother's keeper? Yes I am!" That goes to the heart of the difference between Republicans and Democrats. You as a Republican are all about the 'I've got mine screw everyone else' mentality. You have no compassion. You have no vision for a better country or a better world. Yet you don't want that coal burning power plant in your backyard, but it's OK to put it in someone else's. You don't give a hoot about the 54 million Americans who have no health insurance because you've got yours even if the cost of your insurance is insane. We as Democrats follow the belief that our country was founded on the principles of compassion and helping others who are less fortunate than ourselves. It also means protecting the planet, and beautifying our surroundings to pass down an even better environment to our children. That would be an anathema to someone like yourself who like a typical GOP robot spouts the Bush/Cheney greed & corruption program while the house is falling down on all sides in front of your face.

Wrong again. Did you even read the wikipedia? Here's the wiki quote: "....traditional defense of the national debt is that we "owe the debt to ourselves", but that is increasingly not true. The US debt in the hands of foreign governments is 25% of the total[31],

My statistics are from this report on national debt I read just this week: http://www.concordcoalition.org/doc/crs-debt-basics.pdf

It's from 2005 but the numbers are similar to your referenced numbers. Your numbers say that 25% of federal debt is foreign owned it was 22% in 2005. Of that your numbers say 47% is Japan and China (which is about 10% of total federal debt). Thus making China less than 5% because in 2005 Japan had 4 times as much of our debt as China.

Once these feel good programs punish American business, what evil corporation will hire your sorry arse?!

Typical liberal Obama supporter. Feeling trumps facts every time:(.
 
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You are right on 9-11. But Deregulation resulted in the phenominal growth we have seen in this industry since then.

At least with deregulation we no longer have the CAB ( Govt) decideing who can fly where or how much to charge. Some people don't realize that competition is a good thing...weeds out the weak...keeps those that are innovative going strong.

Tom Daschel's wife? Gee....I'm not aware of anything she did as a lobbyist. I guess any wife ofn a Republican wouldn't lower herself to making millions for using her government contacts...

...like Tom Delay's wife or daughter.....

This Indeopendent is probably gonna vote for Obama....after voting for Bush...Bush...Clinton...Bush...Reagan....Reagan...

It's about who owns the airline

Branson (liberal) pays low wages at his Virgin companies.

Ron Burkle (democrat) owns Aloha, stripped their pension and wages.

NWA Daschel's wife- not great pilot relations there

Hawaiian (Gotbaum trustee democrat) tried to gut pension and had the first 1113 trial in US airlines history.

I'm saying that it's who owns the airline that makes the calls. There are dem and rep owners and they've screwed us all equally.

I'll vote my US Navy heart and vote for who will keep this nation strong (so you whiny liberals still have a safe haven from which to cry and complain).

Fly Navy!!
 
I think we've given John McCain enough. How many millions of dollars worth of smokin' holes did he make?

Let any other "naval aviator" be near that much bent metal and he better have an admiral daddy or he wouldn't go near another airplane.

I'd be irrational about airplane related stuff if they dropped like flies around me too.

PIPE
 
Neither party has a soul anymore. So, it's down to voting in one's self-interest. In that respect McCain has made the aviation profession his enemy and is not my enemy. McCain is a hothead. We don't need that in national defense.

This from a veteran and an airline pilot . . . NO way McCain gets a vote from me. Not much else to chose from, but it comes down to anybody but McCain.
 
Blind people like FlickerFade and the others that think like him and vote for people like Bush and McCain are the reason that our country is facing the problems it is facing today. I bet FlickerFade still has high hopes that the FBI or CIA or whomever he wants is still going to find the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq but enough of that, lets get to the subject at hand. In 2006 the percentage of U.S. public debt owed to foreigners had doubled from what it was in 2000.Take China for example. As of March of 2006, China held over $321 billion worth of U.S. Treasuries, up from the $60 billion it owned at the end of 2000. That is an increase of 535% in 6 years. Similarly, Japan now owns $640 billion worth of U.S. Treasuries, up from $317.7 billion in December 2000. That is an increase of just over 200%, so now tell me who is buying more of our national debt, lets continue. Lately, however, America has also borrowed heavily from oil exporter nations (as defined by the Department of the Treasury), which include many nations that despise America. Luminaries such as Venezuela, Ecuador, Iran, Libya, Algeria, Indonesia and Iraq, and several other primarily Middle Eastern nations, now own $98 billion worth of U.S. debt. Now in your eyes $98 billion is not a great deal of money. WOW. But I don't feel very secure that MR. Chavez in Venezuela owns even 1 Penny of our national debt, Lets continue.
According to Brad Setser, director of research at Roubini Global Economics, “The irony is that the three countries in the world adding to reserves the fastest and thus buying the most U.S. debt now are China, Saudi Arabia and Russia, none of them democracies. … We are increasingly counting on a group of creditors who are not our closest friends but have a bigger and bigger stake in America,” he says. This information plus much more is found in the following site. www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?page=article&id=2265 - 28k
 
I will admit that I forgot to include Japan in the mix. China and Japan hold 47% of our national debt. So how do you come up with 5% for China alone? I used round numbers of 50% total...so sue me.

Here is the link for you to verify all of this. You'll have to scroll down about 3/4 of the way, but it's there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

I'm not sure how we read the same web page and drew two totally different conclusions. I, too, was suspicious of the 5% figure Flickerfade quoted, and ended up on Wiki trying to verify it. There's more involved, and it's worth anyone's time to check the link out.

First, foreign ownership was 44% of public debt in 2006 (higher now). The US government itself owns a little more than half of the $9.3 trillion debt. You read a Japan/China figure of 47%, but that is the percentage of foreign debt only that is owned by those two countries. I looked, but could not find the exact percentage that China owns, but it is less than Japan. The trend, however, is for more Chinese ownership and less Japanese.
 
GW the 1st did it

I think we've given John McCain enough. How many millions of dollars worth of smokin' holes did he make?

Let any other "naval aviator" be near that much bent metal and he better have an admiral daddy or he wouldn't go near another airplane.

I'd be irrational about airplane related stuff if they dropped like flies around me too.

PIPE
George the first lost three A/C in one-year TBM’s; maybe it is the making of a president. Bent metal was a way of life in the Navy in the early to mid 60’s; there wasn't even a NATOP's until the late 50's. The monthly safety reports would regularly show the lost of 12 airplanes and 6 pilots to non-combat causes. BTW Not all pilots agree with you, there is a large block of us who are going to vote for John. Some are even members of ALPA. Imagine that, still a free nation of free thinkers, what a novel concept.
 
George the first lost three A/C in one-year TBM’s; maybe it is the making of a president. Bent metal was a way of life in the Navy in the early to mid 60’s; there wasn't even a NATOP's until the late 50's. The monthly safety reports would regularly show the lost of 12 airplanes and 6 pilots to non-combat causes. BTW Not all pilots agree with you, there is a large block of us who are going to vote for John. Some are even members of ALPA. Imagine that, still a free nation of free thinkers, what a novel concept.

I missed the part where someone asked you not to think freely.

People are giving their opinions here - you're entitled to yours. Others are just as entitled to disagree with you.

My overall take is that I'm sick and tired of going to the voting booth and trying to determine who sucks the least. With 300 million people I can't believe we can't come up with better. The system is broken.

PIPE
 
Blind people like FlickerFade and the others that think like him and vote for people like Bush and McCain are the reason that our country is facing the problems it is facing today.
China held over $321 billion worth of U.S. Treasuries, up from the $60 billion it owned at the end of 2000. That is an increase of 535% in 6 years.
According to Brad Setser, director of research at Roubini Global Economics, “The irony is that the three countries in the world adding to reserves the fastest and thus buying the most U.S. debt now are China, Saudi Arabia and Russia, none of them democracies. … We are increasingly counting on a group of creditors who are not our closest friends but have a bigger and bigger stake in America,” he says. This information plus much more is found in the following site. www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?page=article&id=2265 - 28k

Please give Dems some credit.....the blind NOW gals has been neutered thanks to Dems like Clinton and Kennedy. Blind minorities still vote Dem and yet they still claim they are under-represented, blind labor has supported Dems and the mass exodus of jobs leaving the USA were under a Dem POTUS - neither party has done anything to "right it", King Hillary on the board of ChinaMart/WalMart, blind environmentalist continue to support people like Al Gore as he flies his GulfScream around the world to warn all the peasants about global warming. We beat ourselves up over the environment but turn a blind eye to China (afterall it is the whole world we're worried about). Neither party wants to address the problem of illegals but yet the government "demands" more information on law abiding citizens. Sorry but the Dems aren't going to "save us" and the Reps haven't already proven they can't/won't. Unfortunately, I don't have the answer. We have no or very minimal people of honor and integrity in leadership positions.
What is ironic about the political situation is our politicians are peeing on us and telling us it is raining and we're OK with that. However, we distrust our company leadership (the majority of cases rightly so). Same type of people in both government and business leadership.
 
Where do you think the money comes from to send your kids to school? The parks and beaches? The infrastructure? The police and fire departments?...and all the other social services that you think are unimportant?

Anyone who thinks our "income taxes" go to pay for anything needs to do some research!!

Look at all the other taxes we pay!

Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax
Workers Compensation Tax
Social Security Tax
Medicare Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax
School Tax
Sales Taxes (State and Local)
Real Estate Tax
Property Tax
Building Permit Tax
Well Permit Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Utility Taxes
Severence Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Accounts Receivable Tax
Privilege Tax
Inventory Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel permit tax
Inheritance Tax
Interest Expense
Capital Gains Tax
IRS Penalties
IRS Interest Charges
Liquor Tax
Marriage License Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Trailer registration tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
Toll Bridge Taxes
Toll Tunnel Taxes
Watercraft registration Tax
Gasoline Tax
Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)
Dog License Tax
Fishing License Tax
Hunting License Tax
Cigarette Tax

Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids. What happened?
 
i vote republican but would never vote for McCain. first time in my life i will vote democrat will be this time.
 
Finish the job

So PilotYip tell us why you think McCain is the right choice in your eyes. uba757
He wants to finish the job in Iraq, anyone else who might be elected wants to use the Vietnam route. That is send a clear message as congress did in 1974 that we will not intervene if you to want conquer the country you promised not to in the 1973 peace talks. Remember South Vietnam fell to a Mechanized Army using Armor, the very Army we were designed to destroy in spades. The Dems will make GW II's spending look like a walk in the park. Electing Oboma will be the same gov't we had under Jimmy Carter.
 
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In one of Obama's recent Primary victory speechs, he said, "Am I my brother's keeper? Yes I am!" That goes to the heart of the difference between Republicans and Democrats. You as a Republican are all about the 'I've got mine screw everyone else' mentality. You have no compassion.

Am I my brother's keeper? I agree wholeheartedly!! Is the government my brother's keeper? Not in a million years, and this is my problem with Obama. He is a socialist. Obama believes that we should give our money to the government and let them distribute it as they see fit for the greater good. Where does personal responsibility come into play? And before you start talking about compassion, let me suggest a read for you. Here's a preview, A new book called "Who Really Cares?" by Arthur Brooks says conservative Americans give 30 percent more money to charity than liberal Americans. Also, religious people give up four times more money to charity than secular people.

The fundamental difference between Democrats and Republicans is the following. Republicans want to make poor people rich, where as Democrats want to make rich people poor.
 
Obama believes that we should give our money to the government and let them distribute it as they see fit for the greater good.

A new book called "Who Really Cares?" by Arthur Brooks says conservative Americans give 30 percent more money to charity than liberal Americans. Also, religious people give up four times more money to charity than secular people.

The fundamental difference between Democrats and Republicans is the following. Republicans want to make poor people rich, where as Democrats want to make rich people poor.

1. Where does Obama say that? If you can't prove your accusation, then don't make any.

2. The author is most likely talking about RELIGIOUS CHARITIES. I'm sure he is right. All the right wing evangelical supremists dump massive money into the coffers of groups just like themselves. There are many other charities out there such as those that fight homelessness and hunger or those that strive to protect the environment or other sound social causes. These are the ones supported by liberals and secular people.

3. Republicans don't give a damn about poor people. They just scorn them and come up with phrases such as "personal responsibility" just like you did in your rant. Personal responsibility is something we all have, but it only carries you so far when up against a corrupt neo-con government like the Bush administration who thinks they are above the law, do not have to follow the will of the people and will sell the people out in an instant if it means lineing the pockets of their friends with more money in companies like Enron. So...how is Tom Delay doing these days? When your job gets shipped overseas, I guess it's your fault since you didn't have enough "personal responsibility".
 
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