And this just in from the Detroit Free Press about DL/NWA...

[Tanker Clown]

Delta newhires probably don't want to get stuck in the Diesel 9s...

They're going to unload those things. Delta newhires are going to get furloughed. Maybe they can accept the NWA rates and the company will agree to keep the 9s around.

 

[JoeMerchant]

why do you care? you're not a mainline pilot.

Because it illustrates the internal problems that this union has.....Mergers have been and continue to be a problem within this "brotherhood".......

Another problem is the fact that we are still using the label "mainline pilot"......Shouldn't matter.....I thought if "one of us has a problem, then we all have a problem"......If that is true, then we ALL have a problem this is so-called "union"......

 

[jke406]

Because it illustrates the internal problems that this union has.....Mergers have been and continue to be a problem within this "brotherhood".......

Another problem is the fact that we are still using the label "mainline pilot"......Shouldn't matter.....I thought if "one of us has a problem, then we all have a problem"......If that is true, then we ALL have a problem this is so-called "union"......

Well, I agree that the union is the problem.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I would imagine that the hang up is more about the equity, and other contractual issues which the unions are trying to gain more than anything else--not that it is of your concern.

Actually if you read the union's own releases, seniority integration is an issue.....which indicates that they aren't willing to trust ALPA merger policy to be "fair".....

If it relates to ALPA......it is my business...I don't need your permission to make something my business.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Well, I agree that the union is the problem.

.....and for that reason, we should ALL care.....

 

[pb4ufly]

...looks like Joe needs a coffee break.

 

[737 Pylt]

Because it illustrates the internal problems that this union has.....Mergers have been and continue to be a problem within this "brotherhood".......

Another problem is the fact that we are still using the label "mainline pilot"......Shouldn't matter.....I thought if "one of us has a problem, then we all have a problem"......If that is true, then we ALL have a problem this is so-called "union"......

That "brotherhood" stopped the day you tried to sue to get on the "mainline" seniority list! Your idea of "brotherhood" could be translated into incest rape!

737

 

[PuffDriver]

Because it illustrates the internal problems that this union has.....Mergers have been and continue to be a problem within this "brotherhood".......

Another problem is the fact that we are still using the label "mainline pilot"......Shouldn't matter.....I thought if "one of us has a problem, then we all have a problem"......If that is true, then we ALL have a problem this is so-called "union"......

Where you are concerned, brotherhood is dead. Dead.
When you made your coupe, you made your bed. Now you have to live with it. We'll let you know what our scope opener is, though.

 

[General Lee]

Where do you put the guys flying the DC9's? A hundred airplanes worth of pilots don't just sit on reserve... TC

NWA will be parking 30 of the remaining DC9-30s this year, and supposedly keep 68 DC9-40/50s. Would they just park them all with no replacement and take them off their trunk routes (probably GRR, Minot, Fargo, Winnepeg, etc) and give them to RJs, when they probably fill those flights with well over 100 seats each? Probably not. They would slowly park those 68 planes when they can find adequate replacements (like MD90s---Saudia just put 28 up for sale--and many are available in China and Japan). Compass will have 38 total E170s by the end of this year, mostly making up for those DC9-30s. The Mesaba CR9s are covering for the Avros that left for Cityjet in Paris. The 68 larger DC9s will probably be replaced by 737NGs that may be coming off of a new production line added by Boeing in the near future. (article in WSJ stated they were thinking about adding a new production line soon) Highly doubt they will just park every DC9 as soon as we merge (if we do at all).

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[JoeMerchant]

That "brotherhood" stopped the day you tried to sue to get on the "mainline" seniority list! Your idea of "brotherhood" could be translated into incest rape!

737

I don't want to have anything to do with your seniority list.....Now I want a single list at Skywest Inc......See I have this silly little idea that it would be a good idea to have a single list at any holding company........Believe it or not some of us don't have a desire to wear the double breasted coat and ask for wind checks....

ALPA won't push for a single list at Skywest/ASA either though because they are afraid that the resulting representational vote will result in losing the ASA pilots.....ALPA is more concerned with protecting ALPA than it is with protecting the ASA pilots....

I would rather have a single list at Skywest than a failed union that pretends it cares about it's members....

 

[Superpilot92]

NWA will be parking 30 of the remaining DC9-30s this year, and supposedly keep 68 DC9-40/50s. Would they just park them all with no replacement and take them off their trunk routes (probably GRR, Minot, Fargo, Winnepeg, etc) and give them to RJs, when they probably fill those flights with well over 100 seats each? Probably not. They would slowly park those 68 planes when they can find adequate replacements (like MD90s---Saudia just put 28 up for sale--and many are available in China and Japan). Compass will have 38 total E170s by the end of this year, mostly making up for those DC9-30s. The Mesaba CR9s are covering for the Avros that left for Cityjet in Paris. The 68 larger DC9s will probably be replaced by 737NGs that may be coming off of a new production line added by Boeing in the near future. (article in WSJ stated they were thinking about adding a new production line soon) Highly doubt they will just park every DC9 as soon as we merge (if we do at all).

Bye Bye--General Lee

FWIW the fleet guy came into our class this week and said that the remaining DC9s arent going anywhere for a while. the 68 remaining ones are the "newest" of the DC9s and are paid for and as of right now there is no 100 seat replacement. The dc9 has a cycle limit of 104,000 cycles and those remaining 68 are around 62,000 cycles right now, so for now they arent going anywhere. It was also mentioned that is the most reliable plane in the fleet and very effective for what it does for NWA. Until they find a replacement for it here at mainline it wont be going anywhere. take it for what its worth.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Where you are concerned, brotherhood is dead. Dead.
When you made your coupe, you made your bed. Now you have to live with it. We'll let you know what our scope opener is, though.

There is no brotherhood in this union....some of you just don't want to admit it..... Look at USAir/AWA......look at age 60....how about TWA....scope.....mergers.....It's every man and woman for themselves.....

Rearrange the chairs on the deck if you want....I'll go for a life raft while the band plays on......

 

[grinder]

Any jobs surplussed by -9 retirements will probably go to large RJs at mainline. Unfortunately, the Delta pay rates for those are pretty rough.

Grinder

 

[bleagle]

NW/DL will happen...

...done deal...

 

[Diesel-9]

FWIW the fleet guy came into our class this week and said that the remaining DC9s arent going anywhere for a while. the 68 remaining ones are the "newest" of the DC9s and are paid for and as of right now there is no 100 seat replacement. The dc9 has a cycle limit of 104,000 cycles and those remaining 68 are around 62,000 cycles right now, so for now they aren't going anywhere. It was also mentioned that is the most reliable plane in the fleet and very effective for what it does for NWA. Until they find a replacement for it here at mainline it wont be going anywhere. take it for what its worth.

The utilization rates are increasing significantly on the remaining DC-9's. Will see a small drop in the hours flown and with the current and future movement, there shouldn't be any displacements. The perfect airplane for all the short runways NWA operates into, especially in the winter. And it can carry all the hunting dogs you want, unlike some of the new Barbie jets. With Midwest 717's, getting more 717's from Boeing Capital would be a perfect DC-9 replacement for the cities the DC-9 operates into..