DAL/NWA Combination....should regional guys be worried?

[DTW320]

Yes, I'm sure your new career as an ambulance chaser will be completely stress-free. Good luck to you....just keep telling yourself it was your "choice" not to go to a mainline carrier.

How's that LSAT studying going? You may have noticed a heavy emphasis on logic and reasoning. You should obtain extra tutoring on those subjects prior to taking the test--you're quite weak in those areas.

My attorney neighbor says he wishes he had become a pilot. I tell him I'm not so sure about that, but then he works 70 to 80 hours/week, always doing casework on weekends, drinking a lot (maybe he would be a good pilot). Makes more than me for sure.....QOL, even when you factor in my commute, sucks. YMMV

 

[rtmcfi]

If you consider rape "giving it away"! We got the Scope when we had leverage. We accumulated it over time, in addition to other goodies and enhancements to our contract.

When the Possession Arrow pointed toward management, we lost some of our gains. They had leverage, through the management-friendly code written into Chapter 11 of the Bankruptcy laws.

So, when was RJ feed for NWA announced? When did NWA's chapter 11 occur?

 

[N2264J]

If you'd have convinced your ideological brethren to pony-up the "cooperation" in 2000, you coulda saved money on your interview suit.

Why do you keep saying this? The PID was denied right out of the gate.

It never made it to the point of talking about shared sacrifice and you know it.

 

[N2264J]

You are feed...You are feed...You are feed.

737s don't feed the hub? MD-80s don't feed the hub? DC-9s?

In the hub and spoke system, everybody feeds the hub. Whether you're a "feeder" or not only depends on your compass heading.

Using "feeder" as a pejorative term to describe those pilots that are "less than" is a strategy of bigots and not conducive to unity. That epithet originated in management to create the apartheid.

 

[N2264J]

Wasn't Scope given away by mainline pilots?

So, to fix the problem, shouldn't mainline pilots bear the "majority" of the cost?

Actually, it was sold for enhancements [in pay, workrules, and/or benefits] to the mainline agreements.

 

[DTW320]

737s don't feed the hub? MD-80s don't feed the hub? DC-9s?

In the hub and spoke system, everybody feeds the hub. Whether you're a "feeder" or not only depends
on your compass heading.

Using "feeder" as a pejorative term to describe those pilots that are "less than" is a strategy of bigots and not conducive to unity.

Seems like you're missing a pretty big point there. He's not talking about feeding the HUB, he's talking about feeding the mainline carrier. A separate airline subcontracted to feed the mainline airline AT a hub.

Pejorative? I think it's been said here that DAL pilots value the "feed" and that it is important to their success. Doesn't sound pejorative to me.

 

[rf285]

It is very entertaining, though, that I have the power to get all of you foaming at the mouth mad. I can feel your blood pressure rising from here. Y'all will never make it to Age 65 if you let yourselves get aggravated this easily.

Funny thing is, I thought that you would not make it to 50. You're way to wound up if you are who I think you are. Take it easy.

 

[outtahere]

Why do you take your job so personally? Jabs at the regionals and animosity at what they have made of this profession are not jabs at you. These jabs however are reasonable, understandable, and rooted in historical fact.

If you want to make a career of the regionals - go ahead, more power to you. It reminds me though of another industry group that has always tried to make a career out of what was never meant to be more than a job. I'll give you one guess who that group is. They often carry a similar chip on their shoulder as well as a ferocious inferiority complex.

PIPE

See here is what you arrogant ********************s don't get. While yall were out selling scope for more money, and then giving up more scope and all of your money in bankruptcy, the regionals and regional pay were growing significantly. Now after 12 years at a regional or less you will be making over 100k per year with 15 to 17 days off per month, four weeks of vacation per year, and bidding from the top third of the senority list. So you see you arrogant prick, I could care less about how big your airplane is, and personally I would'nt work at Delta or NWA if they were the last airlines on the planet. You bastards make me sick with your attitudes. You gave away scope, you gave away money, and you call me less than you.

 

[PuffDriver]

737s don't feed the hub? MD-80s don't feed the hub? DC-9s?

In the hub and spoke system, everybody feeds the hub. Whether you're a "feeder" or not only depends on your compass heading.

Using "feeder" as a pejorative term to describe those pilots that are "less than" is a strategy of bigots and not conducive to unity. That epithet originated in management to create the apartheid.

Semantics? Ok. Delta is the brand which owns the hub. Delta pilots, in conjunction with Delta management, negotiate what flying will be performed by pilots on the Delta seniority list and what flying is allowed to be performed by fe....by pilots not on the Delta seniority list. At each negotiation between Delta and the Delta unit of ALPA, this "outsourced" boundary line is subject to amendment by either of the two aforementioned parties.

The outsourced parties must be informed of what the Delta unit of ALPA intends to negotiate for based on an overwhelming settlement for the thousands of man hours put in by and outside interest's lawyer, to the tune of about $600,000.

Not to be confused by the term "feeder".

How's that?

 

[jke406]

See here is what you arrogant ********************s don't get. While yall were out selling scope for more money, and then giving up more scope and all of your money in bankruptcy, the regionals and regional pay were growing significantly. Now after 12 years at a regional or less you will be making over 100k per year with 15 to 17 days off per month, four weeks of vacation per year, and bidding from the top third of the senority list. So you see you arrogant prick, I could care less about how big your airplane is, and personally I would'nt work at Delta or NWA if they were the last airlines on the planet. You bastards make me sick with your attitudes. You gave away scope, you gave away money, and you call me less than you.

First of all...have you considered a treatment program for your crystal meth problem?

Second of all, it's good you don't want to work at a legacy. The feeling is mutual.

Enjoy your crumbs.

 

[DTW320]

See here is what you arrogant ********************s don't get. While yall were out selling scope for more money, and then giving up more scope and all of your money in bankruptcy, the regionals and regional pay were growing significantly. Now after 12 years at a regional or less you will be making over 100k per year with 15 to 17 days off per month, four weeks of vacation per year, and bidding from the top third of the senority list. So you see you arrogant prick, I could care less about how big your airplane is, and personally I would'nt work at Delta or NWA if they were the last airlines on the planet. You bastards make me sick with your attitudes. You gave away scope, you gave away money, and you call me less than you.

Wow. So what are you so ANGRY about then? I guess the legacies "selling scope" made it possible for you to have such an awesome contract and QOL.

You're Welcome.

DTW320
former "feeder" pilot
striving to become an "arrogant *************"
workin on the "bastard" certification

 

[PuffDriver]

See here is what you arrogant ********************s don't get. While yall were out selling scope for more money, and then giving up more scope and all of your money in bankruptcy, the regionals and regional pay were growing significantly. Now after 12 years at a regional or less you will be making over 100k per year with 15 to 17 days off per month, four weeks of vacation per year, and bidding from the top third of the senority list. So you see you arrogant prick, I could care less about how big your airplane is, and personally I would'nt work at Delta or NWA if they were the last airlines on the planet. You bastards make me sick with your attitudes. You gave away scope, you gave away money, and you call me less than you.

You are less than me for the sole reason that many others here are, you think that you have to prove your worth by revealing your great life. I could bury your stats up there with mine, but I don't need to because you know and I know it. The fact that your stats vs mine bothers you is why I am better.

PM me your name, and I'll see to it that you never HAVE to come work for Delta.

You guys need to get over your Napoleon complex. You feed the majors. You do so at subsidized rates. THAT is what pays your salary. I work at the name brand. The one that pays my salary, and the one that subsidizes your carrier in order to provide your living. It makes you no less men, it makes you no less pilots, it makes no less of a living. Deal with it and stop being crybabies.

 

[outtahere]

You are less than me for the sole reason that many others here are, you think that you have to prove your worth by revealing your great life. I could bury your stats up there with mine, but I don't need to because you know and I know it. The fact that your stats vs mine bothers you is why I am better.

PM me your name, and I'll see to it that you never HAVE to come work for Delta.

You guys need to get over your Napoleon complex. You feed the majors. You do so at subsidized rates. THAT is what pays your salary. I work at the name brand. The one that pays my salary, and the one that subsidizes your carrier in order to provide your living. It makes you no less men, it makes you no less pilots, it makes no less of a living. Deal with it and stop being crybabies.

I deal with it just fine, but as a man when someone insults me or my position in life as being below them it pisses me off. And exactly what stats do you have that are so dazzling? I'll gladly compare, I have seen a broad segment of the aviation industry, and have no problem squaring off with someone in a double brested ego suit. As I said, I have no problem with being a regional captain, I enjoy my job, but you or no one else will insult me or anyone in my postion and get away with out a scratch. Listen very carefully and try to follow along, I am no better than anyone else, but there is also no one better than me!

 

[jke406]

I enjoy my job, but you or no one else will insult me or anyone in my postion and get away with out a scratch.

Yeah, you really kicked the sh&t out of those guys here who "questioned your manhood." They're bleeding.

Look into some penile enhancement programs. Might help you conquer your "small man" complex. You might also try buying a jacked-up monster truck.

Sorry about your minuscule dong.

 

[PuffDriver]

I deal with it just fine, but as a man when someone insults me or my position in life as being below them it pisses me off. And exactly what stats do you have that are so dazzling? I'll gladly compare, I have seen a broad segment of the aviation industry, and have no problem squaring off with someone in a double brested ego suit. As I said, I have no problem with being a regional captain, I enjoy my job, but you or no one else will insult me or anyone in my postion and get away with out a scratch. Listen very carefully and try to follow along, I am no better than anyone else, but there is also no one better than me!

You keep on telling yourself that, and maybe you'll start to believe it. Nobody else has implied anything to the contrary. You are the one who has to put on here how much you make. You are the one who has to brag about your days off, you are the one who has to brag about your quality of life. It sounds like you are the one with something to prove, and that makes you less of a man.

I need not throw out my stats, I know and you know that they bury yours.

Ya gotta call em like you see em

P.S. If in your own strange way you were trying to thank the Delta pilots for allowing the explosive growth and prosperity you enjoy, you're welcome

 

[nc1982]

Dont mean to get in the way, but can we get back to the topic of the original thread. Say this merger does happen, what happens to Mesaba? Probably nothing for a few years but in the long run, what do you guys think will happen to Mesaba or Compass?

 

[PuffDriver]

Dont mean to get in the way, but can we get back to the topic of the original thread. Say this merger does happen, what happens to Mesaba? Probably nothing for a few years but in the long run, what do you guys think will happen to Mesaba or Compass?

You're not in the way at all. If the merger were to happen, I can say from the Delta standpoint that they love having multiple carriers doing the lift. I would imagine the status quo would prevail for longer than a few years. I would certainly hope that mesaba sticks around. It is a good airline, with good people.

 

[outtahere]

You keep on telling yourself that, and maybe you'll start to believe it. Nobody else has implied anything to the contrary. You are the one who has to put on here how much you make. You are the one who has to brag about your days off, you are the one who has to brag about your quality of life. It sounds like you are the one with something to prove, and that makes you less of a man.

I need not throw out my stats, I know and you know that they bury yours.

Ya gotta call em like you see em

P.S. If in your own strange way you were trying to thank the Delta pilots for allowing the explosive growth and prosperity you enjoy, you're welcome

OK first of all let me say I was not bragging about any of what you just stated, I was mearly pointing out that it is alot to walk away from to go make less money to fly a bigger airplane with a strong chance of fourlough. Secondly, what are these stats? You talk alot, but you're only burying yourself in bullsh!t.

 

[outtahere]

Yeah, you really kicked the sh&t out of those guys here who "questioned your manhood." They're bleeding.

Look into some penile enhancement programs. Might help you conquer your "small man" complex. You might also try buying a jacked-up monster truck.

Sorry about your minuscule dong.

Why are you so focused on my penise? Doctor Freud would like to talk to you and help you come out of the closet.

 

[blzr]

So, I'm going to rehijack this thread again.

Should the regional guys/gals be worried?

Still, the last two pages have been one heck of a p1ssing contest.