Attrition at ASA?

[Flybywire44]

Has it slowed down at all? I find it hard to believe we're still losing the same amount of people.

 

[PositionandHold]

Either that or the monkeys in crew planning are still hiring like we have some huge shortage.

Which we uh. dont.

 

[Texx]

Either that or the monkeys in crew planning are still hiring like we have some huge shortage.

Which we uh. dont.

Uh, you might want to educate yourself. HR does the hiring, crew planning builds your pairs/lines.

 

[goahead]

Who knows now without a great group in the CP office (secretaries that is) excluding Gene, that's how we all used to find out.

 

[BIGGOAT]

Last week the official count was 29ish pilots leaving ASA since the last seniority list. The cp's keep an excel list of pilots leaving, just ask and they'll show it to you.

Goat

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Manager of Crew planning, BM, said that he was told by SH and CT to not slow down hiring at all, even to the ATR. If the airplanes go away, then ASA will have an excess 100 or so pilots. Last I heard about 25-28 a month.

 

[Long Time Gone]

Who knows now without a great group in the CP office (secretaries that is) excluding Gene, that's how we all used to find out.

Especially since Jean is a woman, and Gene is a man.

 

[Beergut]

Stockpiling pilots...it must mean something big is on the horizon.

 

[goahead]

Especially since Jean is a woman, and Gene is a man.

My bad, who do I owe the beer?

 

[Texx]

Manager of Crew planning, BM, said that he was told by SH and CT to not slow down hiring at all, even to the ATR. If the airplanes go away, then ASA will have an excess 100 or so pilots. Last I heard about 25-28 a month.

You too.

BRIAN MORRIS, MANAGER - CREW ADMINISTRATION

There is a difference. Has nothing to do with crew planning.

 

[HoserASA]

There is a difference. Has nothing to do with crew planning.

...picky picky picky.

Hoser

 

[Texx]

...picky picky picky.

Hoser

And your title is??? Oh yeah...head FA!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Stockpiling pilots...it must mean something big is on the horizon.

Yeah. Coma lines or furloughs in September.

 

[centralpilot]

Stockpiling pilots...it must mean something big is on the horizon.

Perhaps they just learned from last summer and are trying to prevent staffing problems, premium open-time, etc. this year.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Maybe more flying out of IAD or ORD this summer

 

[CFI2766]

I like the thought of some quiet plan to add flying this summer, but I agree with what someone else posted earlier about not wanting to pay time.5 for the summer months. Once the new pilots are on property, then, COMA lines or mass furloughs in the fall.

Reallly, imagine how interested the airlines would be in being able to bring pilots on property only for the busy times, but not paying them for the rest of the slow times.

At present, the COMA lines are voluntary, but I could see management attempting bargain for involuntary COMA lines.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Maybe more flying out of IAD or ORD this summer

That's my rumor. Mesa collapses and SkyWest Inc secures the United flying.

 

[John Pennekamp]

At present, the COMA lines are voluntary, but I could see management attempting bargain for involuntary COMA lines.

There's already a name and a section of the contract for that. Furlough.

 

[PCL_128]

What's a COMA line?

 

[TOOL CRIB]

What's a COMA line?

Unpaid month off

 

[John Pennekamp]

What's a COMA line?

Same as TOWOP.

 

[McNugent]

Stockpiling pilots...it must mean something big is on the horizon.

Yeah, we need pilots for 15 CR9's when Pinnacle gets booted out of ATL.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

you assume that they're going to get kicked out. Skywest has yet to close their CR9 base in Atlanta. Shuttle America's is growing. Why would Pinnacle close their base? The 900 they have parked on the south side of the field looks great sitting there. No reason to think they'll get booted. If anything, Comair, Mesaba, and Compass will be sitting pretty when the merger of NWA/DAL goes through.

 

[McNugent]

you assume that they're going to get kicked out. Skywest has yet to close their CR9 base in Atlanta. Shuttle America's is growing. Why would Pinnacle close their base? The 900 they have parked on the south side of the field looks great sitting there. No reason to think they'll get booted. If anything, Comair, Mesaba, and Compass will be sitting pretty when the merger of NWA/DAL goes through.

I'm not assuming man. I heard it from someone who knows a guy that heard it from a reliable source on the crew bus.

 

[flyinhigh6165]

ASA cancelled 2 training classes...dunno why just heard from the training dpt a few days ago. Maybe sims are full or something. Talked with a skywest crew in IAH and they say that they were shrinkin from 9 planes to 2 or 3 planes in April in ATL. Thought that was interesting to hear.

 

[Flybywire44]

I'm interested to hear why we CNX'd classes and had no idea our attrition was pushing 30. But where are they going? CAL/NWA/DAL/SWA are not hiring that many pilots are they?

I was talking in the CPO to CT and he stated that ASA is very weary of a pilot shortage. They feel that its better to over staff than get caught behind the 8-ball like MESA. Which if you think about how many airlines have not even begun to hire...

Who knows if we'll get more flying from DAL. Pinnacle is in negotiations so I can imagine their on time performance will "change." How long is their contract with DAL?

If we can keep our performance levels up maybe we can get some more flying. I wonder if Pinnacle got the ATL flying because our contract was dragged out so long. Did we even have a chance to bid on that flying?

 

[OCP]

I'm interested to hear why we CNX'd classes and had no idea our attrition was pushing 30. But where are they going? CAL/NWA/DAL/SWA are not hiring that many pilots are they?

I was talking in the CPO to CT and he stated that ASA is very weary of a pilot shortage. They feel that its better to over staff than get caught behind the 8-ball like MESA. Which if you think about how many airlines have not even begun to hire...

Who knows if we'll get more flying from DAL. Pinnacle is in negotiations so I can imagine their on time performance will "change." How long is their contract with DAL?

If we can keep our performance levels up maybe we can get some more flying. I wonder if Pinnacle got the ATL flying because our contract was dragged out so long. Did we even have a chance to bid on that flying?

Out of the airlines you listed only SWA has slowed down. There's still UAL and Airtran also. As well as a bunch of other's who are better than being stuck at ASA for life.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I'm interested to hear why we CNX'd classes and had no idea our attrition was pushing 30. But where are they going? CAL/NWA/DAL/SWA are not hiring that many pilots are they?

I was talking in the CPO to CT and he stated that ASA is very weary of a pilot shortage. They feel that its better to over staff than get caught behind the 8-ball like MESA. Which if you think about how many airlines have not even begun to hire...

Who knows if we'll get more flying from DAL. Pinnacle is in negotiations so I can imagine their on time performance will "change." How long is their contract with DAL?

If we can keep our performance levels up maybe we can get some more flying. I wonder if Pinnacle got the ATL flying because our contract was dragged out so long. Did we even have a chance to bid on that flying?

I'm wondering where all the "growth" is now that we signed a contract. Especially since the contract turns out to have been concessionary in many ways.

During the whole negotiations, company constantly reminded us that every day of negotiations meant more lost growth opportunities. Now, it's been three months since we signed and nothing but crickets chirping? Is it possible that they lied to us? Naw! Never!

 

[Flybywire44]

Out of the airlines you listed only SWA has slowed down. There's still UAL and Airtran also. As well as a bunch of other's who are better than being stuck at ASA for life.

I guess i have the perception that hiring has sloed. CAL's classes are full till May. DAL/UAL does not do that much hiring do they? I also thought airtran had pulled back, but your right there is better QOL elsewhere.

Spring is coming hiring should rampup I hope.

 

[CFI2766]

ASA cancelled 2 training classes...dunno why just heard from the training dpt a few days ago. Maybe sims are full or something. Talked with a skywest crew in IAH and they say that they were shrinkin from 9 planes to 2 or 3 planes in April in ATL. Thought that was interesting to hear.

All the ATR FOs that were awarded the jet/upgrade are still bidding for ATR FO lines for March. One of the FOs tells me that they've been told that the jet training department is well behind on getting the newhires out and onto the line. It's possible that they are just backed up and unable to put any more warm bodies in the front end of the pipeline.

(It's been discussed here ad nauseum, but it appears that they are having problems with some of the new-hires.)