Attrition at ASA?

[John Pennekamp]

What's a COMA line?

Same as TOWOP.

 

[McNugent]

Stockpiling pilots...it must mean something big is on the horizon.

Yeah, we need pilots for 15 CR9's when Pinnacle gets booted out of ATL.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

you assume that they're going to get kicked out. Skywest has yet to close their CR9 base in Atlanta. Shuttle America's is growing. Why would Pinnacle close their base? The 900 they have parked on the south side of the field looks great sitting there. No reason to think they'll get booted. If anything, Comair, Mesaba, and Compass will be sitting pretty when the merger of NWA/DAL goes through.

 

[McNugent]

you assume that they're going to get kicked out. Skywest has yet to close their CR9 base in Atlanta. Shuttle America's is growing. Why would Pinnacle close their base? The 900 they have parked on the south side of the field looks great sitting there. No reason to think they'll get booted. If anything, Comair, Mesaba, and Compass will be sitting pretty when the merger of NWA/DAL goes through.

I'm not assuming man. I heard it from someone who knows a guy that heard it from a reliable source on the crew bus.

 

[flyinhigh6165]

ASA cancelled 2 training classes...dunno why just heard from the training dpt a few days ago. Maybe sims are full or something. Talked with a skywest crew in IAH and they say that they were shrinkin from 9 planes to 2 or 3 planes in April in ATL. Thought that was interesting to hear.

 

[Flybywire44]

I'm interested to hear why we CNX'd classes and had no idea our attrition was pushing 30. But where are they going? CAL/NWA/DAL/SWA are not hiring that many pilots are they?

I was talking in the CPO to CT and he stated that ASA is very weary of a pilot shortage. They feel that its better to over staff than get caught behind the 8-ball like MESA. Which if you think about how many airlines have not even begun to hire...

Who knows if we'll get more flying from DAL. Pinnacle is in negotiations so I can imagine their on time performance will "change." How long is their contract with DAL?

If we can keep our performance levels up maybe we can get some more flying. I wonder if Pinnacle got the ATL flying because our contract was dragged out so long. Did we even have a chance to bid on that flying?

 

[OCP]

I'm interested to hear why we CNX'd classes and had no idea our attrition was pushing 30. But where are they going? CAL/NWA/DAL/SWA are not hiring that many pilots are they?

I was talking in the CPO to CT and he stated that ASA is very weary of a pilot shortage. They feel that its better to over staff than get caught behind the 8-ball like MESA. Which if you think about how many airlines have not even begun to hire...

Who knows if we'll get more flying from DAL. Pinnacle is in negotiations so I can imagine their on time performance will "change." How long is their contract with DAL?

If we can keep our performance levels up maybe we can get some more flying. I wonder if Pinnacle got the ATL flying because our contract was dragged out so long. Did we even have a chance to bid on that flying?

Out of the airlines you listed only SWA has slowed down. There's still UAL and Airtran also. As well as a bunch of other's who are better than being stuck at ASA for life.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I'm interested to hear why we CNX'd classes and had no idea our attrition was pushing 30. But where are they going? CAL/NWA/DAL/SWA are not hiring that many pilots are they?

I was talking in the CPO to CT and he stated that ASA is very weary of a pilot shortage. They feel that its better to over staff than get caught behind the 8-ball like MESA. Which if you think about how many airlines have not even begun to hire...

Who knows if we'll get more flying from DAL. Pinnacle is in negotiations so I can imagine their on time performance will "change." How long is their contract with DAL?

If we can keep our performance levels up maybe we can get some more flying. I wonder if Pinnacle got the ATL flying because our contract was dragged out so long. Did we even have a chance to bid on that flying?

I'm wondering where all the "growth" is now that we signed a contract. Especially since the contract turns out to have been concessionary in many ways.

During the whole negotiations, company constantly reminded us that every day of negotiations meant more lost growth opportunities. Now, it's been three months since we signed and nothing but crickets chirping? Is it possible that they lied to us? Naw! Never!

 

[Flybywire44]

Out of the airlines you listed only SWA has slowed down. There's still UAL and Airtran also. As well as a bunch of other's who are better than being stuck at ASA for life.

I guess i have the perception that hiring has sloed. CAL's classes are full till May. DAL/UAL does not do that much hiring do they? I also thought airtran had pulled back, but your right there is better QOL elsewhere.

Spring is coming hiring should rampup I hope.

 

[CFI2766]

ASA cancelled 2 training classes...dunno why just heard from the training dpt a few days ago. Maybe sims are full or something. Talked with a skywest crew in IAH and they say that they were shrinkin from 9 planes to 2 or 3 planes in April in ATL. Thought that was interesting to hear.

All the ATR FOs that were awarded the jet/upgrade are still bidding for ATR FO lines for March. One of the FOs tells me that they've been told that the jet training department is well behind on getting the newhires out and onto the line. It's possible that they are just backed up and unable to put any more warm bodies in the front end of the pipeline.

(It's been discussed here ad nauseum, but it appears that they are having problems with some of the new-hires.)

 

[John Pennekamp]

All the ATR FOs that were awarded the jet/upgrade are still bidding for ATR FO lines for March. One of the FOs tells me that they've been told that the jet training department is well behind on getting the newhires out and onto the line. It's possible that they are just backed up and unable to put any more warm bodies in the front end of the pipeline.

(It's been discussed here ad nauseum, but it appears that they are having problems with some of the new-hires.)

Both Captains ans FOs on the ATR are being told that regardless of their jet award and effective date, they can expect not to go to class until mid to late summer.

 

[JoeMerchant]

All the ATR FOs that were awarded the jet/upgrade are still bidding for ATR FO lines for March. One of the FOs tells me that they've been told that the jet training department is well behind on getting the newhires out and onto the line. It's possible that they are just backed up and unable to put any more warm bodies in the front end of the pipeline.

(It's been discussed here ad nauseum, but it appears that they are having problems with some of the new-hires.)

From 2 different RJ instructors, this is true. Not only is the low experience level causing problems getting the students thru, but the instructors are being pressured to push them thru.....The instuctors that have been line pilots longer than they have been instructors are resisting this pressure.....

It may not be politically correct, but the low experience level is catching up to us...... The USAToday article contains some truth.....

Thankfully some of the instructors are succumbing to the political pressure to just "get em thru".......

 

[flyinhigh6165]

I didnt understand why some training instructors are being told to go fly the line and choose LT or RT seat for the month of March. They wont be doing IOE but will be flying the line. So if they are backed up then WHY would they tell them to do this?

 

[JoeMerchant]

I didnt understand why some training instructors are being told to go fly the line and choose LT or RT seat for the month of March. They wont be doing IOE but will be flying the line. So if they are backed up then WHY would they tell them to do this?

New contract requires them to fly the line.

 

[Flybywire44]

Ok so they're having problems, but its not that bad is it? 1 or 2 in every class?

I just talked to a Pinnacle pilot recruiter. She says 3500hrs equals a 6 mo upgrade from the street to left seat.

 

[Tim47SIP]

Thankfully some of the instructors are succumbing to the political pressure to just "get em thru".......


John, what do you mean by this? Did you mean "NOT succumbing"??

Tim

 

[Redan]

Thankfully some of the instructors are succumbing to the political pressure to just "get em thru".......

I sincerely hope this is a typo.

 

[JoeMerchant]

.....sorry....left out the "not".....

They are NOT succumbing to the political pressure....

(sometimes the brain thinks faster than the fingers can type)

 

[ASA_Aviator]

ASA cancelled 2 training classes...dunno why just heard from the training dpt a few days ago. Maybe sims are full or something. Talked with a skywest crew in IAH and they say that they were shrinkin from 9 planes to 2 or 3 planes in April in ATL. Thought that was interesting to hear.

Cx new hire classes? I seriously doubt it...

 

[MXAV8R]

From 2 different RJ instructors, this is true. Not only is the low experience level causing problems getting the students thru, but the instructors are being pressured to push them thru.....The instuctors that have been line pilots longer than they have been instructors are resisting this pressure.....

It may not be politically correct, but the low experience level is catching up to us...... The USAToday article contains some truth.....

Thankfully some of the instructors are succumbing to the political pressure to just "get em thru".......

You are a F***en retard. NO CHECK AIRMEN GETS ANY PRESSURE TO "PUSH THEM THROUGH". PERIOD.