What is the status of the ALPA De-certification vote at US Airways?

[ALGFLYR]

I am wondering how a new union will affect any change in the Nicalau award...That arbitration is complete and will stand with alpa, usapa or no union at all......

Well, I'm not sure how they are thinking, but here is a possible way...

The problem with the ALPA structure is that there are two groups (one from East and one from West) negotiating a joint contract. If the East negotiators wanted to make a change in the contract protecting the East bases or upgrades, and the West did not agree, that would never make it into a proposal.

However, if a new union wins the election, the entire pilot group would be under that one union and a lot of that East/West distinction as far as the union goes would go away. The new collective MEC would then create a new negotiating team.

I don't think management cares who upgrades as long as they can staff the airline. If the pay is the same, who cares which side they came from...

Section 22 of the contract says base and captain bids are based on seniority. They make a simple change to that language saying those will now be based on length of service with the company. The Nic. seniority list will stay intact, although it would be virtually meaningless as far as upgrading and bases are concerned...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

amazing....

 

[PCL_128]

Well, I'm not sure how they are thinking, but here is a possible way...

The problem with the ALPA structure is that there are two groups (one from East and one from West) negotiating a joint contract. If the East negotiators wanted to make a change in the contract protecting the East bases or upgrades, and the West did not agree, that would never make it into a proposal.

However, if a new union wins the election, the entire pilot group would be under that one union and a lot of that East/West distinction as far as the union goes would go away. The new collective MEC would then create a new negotiating team.

I don't think management cares who upgrades as long as they can staff the airline. If the pay is the same, who cares which side they came from...

Section 22 of the contract says base and captain bids are based on seniority. They make a simple change to that language saying those will now be based on length of service with the company. The Nic. seniority list will stay intact, although it would be virtually meaningless as far as upgrading and bases are concerned...

And you think the West pilots are going to just sit by and allow you and uSAPa to rape them? I think not. They'll refuse to pay dues, and with 40% of the pilot group not paying dues, the new "union" will be completely impotent (although these idiots would probably be impotent even if 100% paid their dues). Then a small group of West pilots that actually join and pay dues will be able to sue uSAPa for DFR, since a virtual abrogation of the Nic award is an obvious DFR breach. uSAPa would be bankrupt just trying to defend against the lawsuit, never even getting to the point of having to pay out a settlement. You guys are mind-numbingly stupid if you think this uSAPa nonsense will lead you to anywhere but immense failure.

 

[PositiveRate]

Keep in mind, most of the rhettoric and pure stupidity posted by the likes of Kerosene, BeCareful and Weasil Lips are guys who were furloughed and are the most disenfranchised of the East bunch.

You can pretty much ignore ALGFLYER - he was neither an America West employee or US Airways employee and should be thankful he even gets to fight with us as he backdoored his way in and should be happy to be at the bottom of the list, not scabbily salivating over some dream of a seat grab with the rest of the USAPA d-bags.

 

[Lampshade]

Well, I'm not sure how they are thinking, but here is a possible way...

However, if a new union wins the election, the entire pilot group would be under that one union and a lot of that East/West distinction as far as the union goes would go away. The new collective MEC would then create a new negotiating team.

You forgot about the TA I guess? We're under one union now btw!!

Section 22 of the contract says base and captain bids are based on seniority. They make a simple change to that language saying those will now be based on length of service with the company. The Nic. seniority list will stay intact, although it would be virtually meaningless as far as upgrading and bases are concerned...

How are you going to change your contract its not open for 2 years? And even then you think management's going to approve of that with a federal arbitration sitting on there desk? Apparently you haven't thought your plan through all the way (sounds like USAPA).

 

[vetrider]

Its still the same brain trust, they still haven't figured out that they can't just will it to happen their way. "You gotta understand......" "It has to......" Uh huh, right.

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

amazing....

Yes, it is amazing. In fact, I am a little disappointed. I was hoping I was going to be called in as a divide and conquer consultant. Looks like the pilots are doing a swell job themselves.

Thanks alot!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Yes, it is amazing. In fact, I am a little disappointed. I was hoping I was going to be called in as a divide and conquer consultant. Looks like the pilots are doing a swell job themselves.

Thanks alot!

Hey Frankie....

Dickie Cheney wants to know if you want to hang out with the Bushes and go huntin'.

This is a great opportunity for you.. to get together with your political allies!

 

[PHXFLYR]

Keep in mind, most of the rhettoric and pure stupidity posted by the likes of Kerosene, BeCareful and Weasil Lips are guys who were furloughed and are the most disenfranchised of the East bunch.

You can pretty much ignore ALGFLYER - he was neither an America West employee or US Airways employee and should be thankful he even gets to fight with us as he backdoored his way in and should be happy to be at the bottom of the list,.....

Sure did. Him and his buddy Trainer 8 sure think they're one of the boys now, don't they?

PHXFLYR

 

[JoeMerchant]

amazing....

...whats amazing is people like you thinking this is some brotherhood.....it is every man for themself......

...age 60, scope, and mergers.....It's all about me....