Read and follow RNAV arrival and departure procedures carefully at SLC

[AZ Typed]

Slc

SLC always makes things harder than they need to be

You are not kidding. They are in the middle of nowhere and you'd think you're in the middle of LGA, TEB, JFK, and EWR all combined. SLC has the 2nd worst ATC system next to IAD. Their capabilities are way below acceptable in SLC.

My last trip there, 100 plus miles of visibilty, 3 airplanes on the frequency, and ATC vectors us into a SKW CRJ - we caught it, but that mistake was followed by a 12 mile final to the west runway, when GA needs the east runway.

Incompetence at it's finest in SLC.

 

[Dinger]

You are not kidding. They are in the middle of nowhere and you'd think you're in the middle of LGA, TEB, JFK, and EWR all combined. SLC has the 2nd worst ATC system next to IAD. Their capabilities are way below acceptable in SLC.

My last trip there, 100 plus miles of visibilty, 3 airplanes on the frequency, and ATC vectors us into a SKW CRJ - we caught it, but that mistake was followed by a 12 mile final to the west runway, when GA needs the east runway.

Incompetence at it's finest in SLC.

With your time and experience, I can only assume you have it all figured out by now! Maybe you should issue an Advisory Circular for SLC to followy so they don't screw it up anymore. I imagine the 12 mile final to the "wrong" runway was not a mistake, assuming you come accross on frequency as you did in your post here.

I wish I had the big picture...I asked for it for Christmas, but got a new set of golf clubs instead.

Although you fly on the "super freaky and dangerous" East Coast, you are not that cool.

 

[CelticCitation]

Arizona is now on the East Coast. That must have something to do with the Giants stealing one from the Pats.

SLC does things the hard way, but in their defence, they do have a number of unique to the West issues. Besides the the aforementioned terrain, there is also a great deal of military airspace that complicates things greatly.

A former controller buddy of mine tells the story of a pre-TAWS 727 getting the wrong frequency (pilot error) while on base headed directly toward a mountain at 6000ft. By the time they somehow raised him he was seconds from impact, and was given an immediate climbing turn, barely clearing terrain. This incident, and I'm sure numerous like this, have lead to the seemingly rediculous complications in the airspace.

Also, reading the lost comm procedures make things a little more clear. You are always told to expect the western most runway, when you always want the east side for GA. Nearly always, 17 or 35 finally gets assigned, but in a lost comm situation, they don't want you to plow through the other active runways.

These new procedures are hopefully the first wave toward an improvement. After years of Salt Lake 9, and having to enter the the 005 at 60 manually into the FMS, we might get some usable procedures.

Then again, maybe not.

 

[CitationCapt]

Slc

Good points Celtic C.

SLC controllers have taken me out of binds, especially around lines of thunderstorms on arrivals and departures. In addition, the approach controllers have done the same and have worked with me on requests for runways 17 or 35 when arrival traffic is busy.

I also believe that once we work with these new procedures they will become old hat. We just need to make certain that we meet what we read off these charts.

CC

 

[AZ Typed]

With your time and experience, I can only assume you have it all figured out by now!

Where did I claim to have it all figured out?

Maybe you should issue an Advisory Circular for SLC to followy so they don't screw it up anymore. I imagine the 12 mile final to the "wrong" runway was not a mistake, assuming you come accross on frequency as you did in your post here.

Where did I say they made a mistake?

I wish I had the big picture...I asked for it for Christmas, but got a new set of golf clubs instead.

Great (?!?!?)

Although you fly on the "super freaky and dangerous" East Coast, you are not that cool.

Where did the post claim I fly on the East Coast? Where did the post say I was "that cool"?

I was going spend a lot of time on a response to this, buy why. Grow up.

 

[Dinger]

You are not kidding. They are in the middle of nowhere and you'd think you're in the middle of LGA, TEB, JFK, and EWR all combined. SLC has the 2nd worst ATC system next to IAD. Their capabilities are way below acceptable in SLC.

My last trip there, 100 plus miles of visibilty, 3 airplanes on the frequency, and ATC vectors us into a SKW CRJ - we caught it, but that mistake was followed by a 12 mile final to the west runway, when GA needs the east runway.

Incompetence at it's finest in SLC.

"SLC has the 2nd worst ATC system..."

"Their capabilities are way below acceptable"...

"...but that mistake was followed by a 12 mile final to the west runway, when GA NEEDS the east"...

"Incompetence at it's finest"......

yeah...my mistake!