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Delta president: We're strong enough to go it alone
Any merger deal must fill gaps, avoid debt load, help workers, Bastian says

By RUSSELL GRANTHAM
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 02/01/08
Delta Air Lines' executives said the airline has a strong standalone plan and will not go ahead with a merger unless it meets their goals to strengthen the carrier and create job security for both companies' employees.
Delta President Ed Bastian said in an interview Friday that the Atlanta airline has been working for months to prepare for a potential wave of mergers among the industry's biggest players.

He and other Delta executives painted a picture of an airline that can afford to be picky about potential merger partners.
They said the carrier is good financial shape after shedding billions in debt and operating expenses in a 19-month-long bankruptcy restructuring.
"A strong standalone plan is part of the hand that we're carrying," said Michael Campbell, Delta's executive vice president of human resources and labor relations.
The executives' comments come as people familiar with the matter have said they expect Delta to soon announce a merger agreement with Northwest Airlines — or to reach a decision not to do a deal. However, some of these people have said the talks also ran into a snag last week over decisions about how top executives will share power, and potentially other issues as well.
Delta has not publicly commented on the merger rumors, and executives on Friday avoided commenting on specific merger scenarios or negotiation-related issues.
However, Bastian, the No. 2 executive at Delta, said any merger must meet three major goals. He said Delta won't agree to a deal unless the proposed merger: creates a global network that "fills holes" in Delta's operations; avoids burdening the combined airlines with excessive debt; and treats employees fairly and assures them of job and seniority protections.
"If we do any transaction, we have to do the right thing for the people," said Bastian, referring to employees. (WOW?)
"I don't know if we can accomplish those goals ... because there's somebody on the other side [who has to be in agreement]," he added.
Industry experts believe the current time window to forge a deal is short because the months-long review by the federal Department of Justice's antitrust regulators may not be complete before a new administration enters the White House, possibly bringing more delay and uncertainty.
Continuing merger talks and speculation could also distract employees.
Delta's and Northwest's share prices both jumped noticeably Friday afternoon, as did other airlines' shares after oil prices, the main determinant of jet fuel prices, dropped. Delta's and Northwest's shares have risen roughly 60-70 percent since merger speculation surrounded the two carriers in the past three weeks.
On heavy trading volume Friday, Delta's shares rose 10 percent to $18.53; Northwest's shares were up almost 7 percent to $19.98. Delta, the nation's third-largest airline, has been said to be in intense negotiations with Northwest, the fifth-largest, to sign a deal that would create the biggest airline in the nation and perhaps the world. Such a deal would stitch together an airline combining Delta's large trans-Atlantic network with Northwest's extensive routes to Asia.
Delta also explored a merger deal with United Airlines, the nation's second-largest airline, but people familiar with the matter have said those talks no longer appear to be active, partly because the larger deal may be less likely to get the blessing of federal antitrust regulators.
Skeptics say a merger of the size and complexity that Delta is said to be considering will face huge obstacles. Antitrust regulators could rule that a deal harms competitors or consumers. They could block a deal or require the airlines to shed routes, airport gates and other assets. A big merger also could face opposition from politicians, employees and communities who fear that a merger could raise fares, cost jobs and lead to the closing of one or more hub airports and a company headquarters.
Atlanta-based Delta has hubs in Atlanta, Cincinnati and Salt Lake City, while Minneapolis-based Northwest has hubs in Minneapolis, Detroit and Memphis.
The merging airlines also would face complex challenges merging computer systems and aircraft fleets. Blending work forces with differing levels of unionization and separate seniority lists could bring another big obstacle.
However, airline officials indicate that Delta could sidestep much of the opposition by avoiding the closing of hub airports or significant downsizing after a merger. And while the merging companies would likely cut redundant administrative jobs, they may attempt to defuse community opposition by retaining certain job levels or departments at a former headquarters.
Officials said a merger would still be expected to generate major benefits even without big cuts to capacity or employee headcount. They say a big merger will create a global network, continuing Delta's recent push to expand into more lucrative overseas markets where there is little competition from discount carriers.
International routes could generate half the combined carriers' revenues post-merger, according to people familiar with the company's thinking, compared to about 35 percent now and only 20 percent about three years ago. The merged carriers also would have more negotiating power with corporate clients and
greater schedule and fleet flexibility, these people said.



Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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You know what I always say:

"Keep Delta, my Northwest ... er ... I mean Delta. Or maybe Continental. But only if they don't want United. And then only to pi$$ off US Airways."
 
I've got several friends who haved joined DAL in the lastest hiring wave.

I think management has been very, very upfront with them about the company's direction. They are optimistic, but realistic and pragmatic. Additionally--the failed US Air bid energized and re-invorgated some of that long dormant Delta spirit.

Ain't no guarantees in this business...and if I was a financial genius I'd probably not be flying 727s in the middle of the night. But as a bettor--I'd put a little money on the DAL folks being around another 20 years with some good years ahead of them. It seems they have a realistic plan and know where they are going. (I'd say the same thing about CAL). On the other hand, UAL just seems to be trying to pretty itself up for the sale.

Been wrong before, and will be again... But I'm pullling for these Delta guys...
 
Maybe that's code for: "No one wants to be part of Delta's mess."

You know, I find it funny that any of these clowns (my leadership included) think they can even win at this game in an industry that has over its existense failed to generate a net cumulative profit.

Hubris is what they really fill the jets up with.

no offense on the clown thing, btw.
 
Delta now has the best balance sheet of any legacy carriers out there thanks to great negotiating during bankruptcy. They have options as they continue to grow the more lucrative international side of the business.

UAL, on the other hand, has no growth plans and no strategy - they have few options but to merge with someone willing to take on their mess. CAL is the prime candidate for UAL. Meanwhile, AA is saddled with too much debt to do anything. NWA would easily fit well within the Delta route structure as their own routes are very complementary. But does Delta absolutely NEED NWA to survive and prosper going forward? Nope.

Ed Bastian may be bold, but he's right in many respects. Good article.
 
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...and if I was a financial genius I'd probably not be flying 727s in the middle of the night. But as a bettor--I'd put a little money on the DAL folks being around another 20 years with some good years ahead of them.

Been wrong before, and will be again... But I'm pullling for these Delta guys...
Actually, you made a very good bet and I hope you are right again.

Not to be nasty, or arrogant, but why should Delta buy what it can take? The 777 LR's and 787's overfly NorthWest's 5th freedom rights easily. Customers would prefer to have one connection, than two.

Mergers have a terrible track record. Innovation and perserverence has a much better chance of success.
 
Delta now has the best balance sheet of any legacy carriers out there thanks to great negotiating during bankruptcy.

Whoa!

Put down the Kool-Aid pitcher and get a grip!

DAL has a lousy balance sheet! They have almost twice the debt, without twice the revenue, of NWA!

Their performance since exiting Chapter 11 has been "ok". Others...including NWA...have out-performed DAL in RASM, CASM, and debt management.

Tell the truth...you haven't actually READ a 10K, have you?
 
Occam - you are right, but NWA's RASM is decreasing while Delta's in increasing. The trend is is Delta's favor.
 
Whoa!

Put down the Kool-Aid pitcher and get a grip!

DAL has a lousy balance sheet! They have almost twice the debt, without twice the revenue, of NWA!

Thank you - fact is DAL needs to merge with someone much more than NWA does.
 
Whoa!

Put down the Kool-Aid pitcher and get a grip!

DAL has a lousy balance sheet! They have almost twice the debt, without twice the revenue, of NWA!

Their performance since exiting Chapter 11 has been "ok". Others...including NWA...have out-performed DAL in RASM, CASM, and debt management.

Tell the truth...you haven't actually READ a 10K, have you?


And when you have some LCC competition, instead of beating them, you buy them. That won't last forever, and your RASM/CASM etc will go down. Your fortress hubs up there in the dark, cold North will eventually be invaded, and you will know what it is like to actually compete. (if you still have enough DC9s to compete with their new mainline planes) It will hit you eventually.

And Delta has a lousy balance sheet? Really? Lousy? Thanks Dr. Phil. How's Britney doing?


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
The double breasted jacket has served as a shield for many occasions, (including the infamous Muffy Berkshier explosion), so let's just hope for the best in regard to Delta and General Lee. Fly safe- rum
 
Thank you - fact is DAL needs to merge with someone much more than NWA does.

That's not a fact. The reason we are looking is because in BK our creditors wanted the USAir merger, just for the boost in their value for the stock. We said no (along with the Gov't), and those creditors placed new board members on the board that are pro-merger. That doesn't mean any merger will work or be approved, but we will look.

Show me the "facts" that point to your conclusion. If you trust your bus Captain Oscam, then I guess it must be true. You must be sucking in too many fumes from all that Glycol up there in the arctic North.....

Also, how many times have I proven you wrong on this board? Many times. You need to back up your claims, really.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Too bad ~~~^~~~, now you won't know when you guys are going bankrupt...again. I'll help you out. You guys will be bankrupt, again, in 1 year, and be liquidating in 24 months.

I'll add to that.....In 12 months, tanker/jerk406/jmoney, will still be dressing in womens' clothing, will still have the same trailer, but will have moved to a different trailer park, and still have less than 2000 flight hours.
He also may get promoted to barrack cleaner from pencil sharpener! You little E1 dork!:D

737
 
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That's not a fact. The reason we are looking is because in BK our creditors wanted the USAir merger, just for the boost in their value for the stock. We said no (along with the Gov't), and those creditors placed new board members on the board that are pro-merger. That doesn't mean any merger will work or be approved, but we will look.

Bye Bye--General Lee

The creditors are also why you have your current CEO. Turning down Doug's offer pissed off a bunch of people. $12 billion to Delta's current value of $5 billion is a lot of mula. There is no question in my mind though that the Delta employees are better off without US Airways. Be carefull though, Parker and Anderson come from the same mold.
 
The creditors are also why you have your current CEO. Turning down Doug's offer pissed off a bunch of people. $12 billion to Delta's current value of $5 billion is a lot of mula. There is no question in my mind though that the Delta employees are better off without US Airways. Be carefull though, Parker and Anderson come from the same mold.

No doubt there was quick $$ to be made, but lets look at LCC as well. Your stock was trading in the neighborhood of $60 when the hostile takeover was announced. Today your stock is worth $15 and change.
I think the biggest stake in the heart of the US Airways bid was the "long term profits" from it. The creditors saw the plan for long term profitiability, and went with that rather than Dougs "quick profit."
And you're right, Doug and Richard are from the same mold, its called "airline management.":puke:
737
 
The creditors are also why you have your current CEO. Turning down Doug's offer pissed off a bunch of people. $12 billion to Delta's current value of $5 billion is a lot of mula. There is no question in my mind though that the Delta employees are better off without US Airways. Be carefull though, Parker and Anderson come from the same mold.

Actually our current value is closer to $7 billion, only $1 billion less than Southwest is worth. (market cap) The creditors were told we would be worth $12 billion, but high oil has erased a lot of market cap for almost every airline. The creditors did select Anderson, but even he can't make sure a merger will go through unless it appeases everyone, including every local politician. The hedge funds and Wall St wanted the USAir and Delta combo, to no avail. One thing is pretty certain though, Anderson has a better driving record than Parker.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
No doubt there was quick $$ to be made, but lets look at LCC as well. Your stock was trading in the neighborhood of $60 when the hostile takeover was announced. Today your stock is worth $15 and change.
I think the biggest stake in the heart of the US Airways bid was the "long term profits" from it. The creditors saw the plan for long term profitiability, and went with that rather than Dougs "quick profit."
And you're right, Doug and Richard are from the same mold, its called "airline management.":puke:
737

Only a select group of the creditors(not the majority) had a say in the offer from US Airways. I believe this was because you were in bankruptcy and I'm sure politics played a role.
 
Actually our current value is closer to $7 billion, only $1 billion less than Southwest is worth. (market cap) The creditors were told we would be worth $12 billion, but high oil has erased a lot of market cap for almost every airline. The creditors did select Anderson, but even he can't make sure a merger will go through unless it appeases everyone, including every local politician. The hedge funds and Wall St wanted the USAir and Delta combo, to no avail. One thing is pretty certain though, Anderson has a better driving record than Parker.

Bye Bye--General Lee

The last time I looked Delta's value was $5 billion, Southwest $10 billion, and US Airways $3 billion.
At $3 billion the only thing that is probably keeping us from being bought is our poison pill(labor). With $3.5 billion in the bank and our delivery dates for all the buses we may be bought in the future.
I agree Anderson has a better record:D . Oh, and quite calling us US Air, it's US Scareways.
 
Latest lounge brief in ATL said merger talks fueled by hedge funds that want to cash out (big surprise), stand alone is the prefered option (wish that was the case). I think Congress ought to investigate the fact that a group of "get me rich quick then cut and run investors" affect the destiny of long established hubs, facilities, and countless jobs. These guys aren't even secured creditors. F' em.

Big bid to come out early Feb.

Lots of new international destinations to come. (no not NWA's)

It would be great to see this thing fall by the wayside and watch the train wrecks from the sidelines.
 
People.....

Let's read between the lines on this one.......Ed "pilots are overpaid Fatcats" Bastian might be planting the seed to pump up a perceived value of Delta Air Lines to the interested players......

Like a used car, he's SELLING our strengths....."Look at that Corinthian Leather......."

Value in something is getting someone to believe its worth it to buy......
 
No doubt there was quick $$ to be made, but lets look at LCC as well. Your stock was trading in the neighborhood of $60 when the hostile takeover was announced. Today your stock is worth $15 and change.

737

Quite true 737.....but all airline stocks are down due to high oil and a demand crunch from the looming recession....not really a fair characterization.....but I do agree about Doogie Parker talking a lot of smack about how his "Synergies" we're best for the stock prices.
 
Tanker Clown;1510280now you won't know when you guys are going bankrupt...again. I'll help you out. You guys will be bankrupt said:
coming from the expert in airlines......an Air Force loser LtCol with only 2000 hours. Go out and fly.
 
And when you have some LCC competition, instead of beating them, you buy them. That won't last forever, and your RASM/CASM etc will go down. Your fortress hubs up there in the dark, cold North will eventually be invaded, and you will know what it is like to actually compete. (if you still have enough DC9s to compete with their new mainline planes) It will hit you eventually.

And Delta has a lousy balance sheet? Really? Lousy? Thanks Dr. Phil. How's Britney doing?


Bye Bye--General Lee
You sound like a mad little girl.
 
And Delta has a lousy balance sheet? Really? Lousy? Thanks Dr. Phil. How's Britney doing?

Britney's fine. We hope to have her meds stabilized before she gets to over 10,000 posts. Pray for her!

Yes, DAL has a lousy balance sheet. Not just my opinion. They had difficulty convincing some creditors to take the medicine during the re-org. The presence of the PBGC on the list of major creditors (now "shareholders") is a buzzkill when you're seeking long-term shareholders whose last names aren't "Boeing", "GE", or "Bank".

DAL didn't shed the debt it needed to during the re-org. The court allowed some large creditors to encumber assets and set up a payment schedule (spelled "D-E-B-T") instead of making them eat stock.

UAL did much of the same. NWA and AAA (Pt 2), threw stock at the creditors. It made NWA a bit more vulnerable to a proxy fight, but it reduced debt servicing requirements.

Debt service isn't a big deal, as long as your other expenses don't go up faster than your revenue.
 
Lots of posturing on all sides at this point. Everyone wants to be the straw that stirs the drink and not eat humble pie.

This thing needs a conclusion in the next 60 days to get done by the end of this administration's term. Bookings seem to be strong through the spring, and with those numbers you aren't going to get two parties to the alter.

I think Bethune was probably right in saying that a UAL/DL is the path of least resistance, but that deal would require alot of trimming to make it work + I don't think DL likes UAL's balance sheet. NWA is the partner both DL and CAL would want to dance with, but she is playing hard to get.....and rightfully so.

Personally I'm beginning to believe that DL should just try and do the deal with UAL. It would give them a great headstart as I have my doubts NWA could ever agree to do a deal with anyone including CAL, until both companies were headed for the trash heap.

:pimp:​
 
Delta has a good balance sheet???? Just about died reading that. I'll take the fortress hubs up north any day and the fortress in Narita vs. bragging about ATL and the RJ factory there. NWA's 757 flying alone out of NRT is bigger than DAL's Asia presence. DAL does feed NWA's Pacific routes very nicely with the code share. NWA has competed well against LCC's in the past(Frontier, Reno etc..) They basically gave Midwest their old MKE mini-hub flying years ago with certain agreements and now see it prudent to acquire them for many reasons. Maybe the General wears a star at DAL but I see a rank of 2LT as more appropriate when glancing over his P.R. releases.
 
NOBODY HAS A GOOD BALANCE SHEET!!! That's why these stupid threads exist.

Which weak carrier is going to be forced by Wall St. to merge with which slightly weaker carrier so the morons who weakened the airline can escape with their tens of millions and go on to wreck another company.

Quoting johnsonrod: "Meanwhile, AA is saddled with too much debt to do anything." That's the best news I've heard all month. Thanks! :D TC
 

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