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jetwash

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It looks like FLOPS hired 8 new pilots three weeks ago and fired 2 of them during their Indoc classes at CGF. Then another one quit!!! :eek:

So from 8 new hires they now have 5 and they didn't even go to Simuflite yet !!!!

What the hell is going on :confused:
 
Wouldn't be surprised if they are scraping so low in the barrel that pilots are failing background / resume checks
 
It is obvious that Flight Options will not be able to gather great applicants in the needed quantity until management proves it cares. Sub-standard pay, benefits, work conditions, and a confrontational attitude towards it's employees are what's up.
That is why the number of new hires is only at 5.
As for the two that got fired...well, even Flight Options has standards and these two did not meet them. Kudos to the decision makers who recognized this and, despite the company's desperation for crews, corrected their mistake of hiring these two prior to expensive training events. It is proof that management DOES at least recognize that not just ANY pilot with ratings and time will do.
The five that did come through appear to be high quality pilots with great dispositions and professionalism. I welcome them to our fleet and look forward to flying with each one of them.
 
triton said:
As for the two that got fired...well, even Flight Options has standards and these two did not meet them. Kudos to the decision makers who recognized this and, despite the company's desperation for crews,
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It is proof that management DOES at least recognize that not just ANY pilot with ratings and time will do.
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You are kidding, right? :confused:


How could Flight Opts HR go through all the application they have on file then pick out the "8 best" applicants for interviews then offer them jobs and put them into Indoc before they discovered that they don't belong.

It looks like the HR people at FLOPS are totally incompetent that they couldn't figure that out in the preceding 2 months before Indoc.
 
I am not kidding.
Incompetent? It does seem so, doesn't it? From what I understand, it was the training dept, not the Human resources dept that pushed for letting them go.
 
triton said:
I am not kidding.
Incompetent? It does seem so, doesn't it? From what I understand, it was the training dept, not the Human resources dept that pushed for letting them go.
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The word I have is that one of the pilots fired made several statements in the presence of MS that our illustrious CEO did not care for. That's why the pilot was fired. At any rate, I would be careful granting kudos to management. After all there are all kinds of problems (for which management is responsible) inherent in a circumstance where 8 pilots are hired after a 4 month search and only 5 make the initial cut. Keep in mind the remaining pilots have not even been to Simuflite yet. I predict yet another unfortunate culling of the ranks of this new-hire class. I wish them luck, but with little or no jet time, I think it will be a stretch for some.
 
Met one of the aforementioned fire new hire pilots. Very affable left a commuter job to come to FLOPS. No reason given for the firing other than we didn't like your record. Why didn't they figure this out before? What is going on at FLOPS? Major reason for law suit!!!
 
It just goes to show you that MS doesn't like any BS from any FO in CGF, Just further proves his dislike for pilots. Not good for labor relations.
 
OHPilot said:
Met one of the aforementioned fire new hire pilots. Very affable left a commuter job to come to FLOPS. No reason given for the firing other than we didn't like your record. Why didn't they figure this out before? What is going on at FLOPS? Major reason for law suit!!!
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Sounds like a "judgement" issue to me. How could this person leave even a regional job for FLOPS without understanding the "toxic" situation there? He was playing with fire - and sometimes it will come back to burn you. I feel for him and I hope he finds another job quickly (or return to his regional if they will take him back - it does happen if the regional is short).

People need to understand the context of the situation they are entering - ask a lot of questions and talk to many people. Go in with your eyes wide OPEN... There's actually a reason why the attrition rate is so high at FLOPS and they can't find "quality" pilots to join the ranks.
 
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GerryG said:
The word I have is that one of the pilots fired made several statements in the presence of MS that our illustrious CEO did not care for. That's why the pilot was fired.
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doing bussiness like they in China and Russia I see...

I wonder what he said..
 
Rumor on the street is that he could not "finger flow" the CGF1 arrival chart.

I guess they figured he needed to know that one by heart.

Hung
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The big danger in these decisions is that one considers all fractionals the same any more than one can lump all 135 operations as the same. For all intent and purpose, FO already failed. The question is whether or not there is going to be an opportunity there in the future. Everything needs to thought of in the context of what you are trying to achieve in that same future.
 
Hung Start said:
Rumor on the street is that he could not "finger flow" the CGF1 arrival chart.

I guess they figured he needed to know that one by heart.

Hung
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I don't know if you are kidding or not, but I would think that type of stuff should have been tested for in the interview. Once hired, Flops should be training for any deficiencies and not just fire someone over something that could easily be corrected in training.

If it is true that he was fired for having a lack of knowledge in one area, then who now would want to gamble with their family's financial security and professional future and take a chance with Flops hoping that they don't have a mental memory laps on a simple question during in-doc and then be told that they are fired. I know that would be too much pressure for me.
 
Ummm, just a guess. But the reference to the CGF1 arrival probably meant the trip to Cuyahoga County for the carpet dance when you f up.

Similar to the Bridgeway1 at NJ.

Don't work at FO, but that was my take on the post.
 
theskyking said:
Ummm, just a guess. But the reference to the CGF1 arrival probably meant the trip to Cuyahoga County for the carpet dance when you f up.

Similar to the Bridgeway1 at NJ.

Don't work at FO, but that was my take on the post.
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Bingo !!!!!

The CGF 1 Arrival is not a Jepp arrival chart it is an internal Flight Options joke.
 
theskyking said:
Ummm, just a guess. But the reference to the CGF1 arrival probably meant the trip to Cuyahoga County for the carpet dance when you f up.

Similar to the Bridgeway1 at NJ.

Don't work at FO, but that was my take on the post.
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The beauty is one can get the "CGF1" without even f..ing up. Welcome to FLops
 
If the fact that 2 new hires got fired their second week with FLOPS and another one quit is not a wake up call to all those who were thinking of applying to work there I don't know what is.:confused:

Don't say you were not warned !!!
 
A good source told me that one of the guys was let go because his background info revealed that he still had to stand trial for murder. No kidding.
 
Makes you wonder about the timing of the job offer versus the timing of the background check, if that story is correct.
 
skyismyoffice said:
A good source told me that one of the guys was let go because his background info revealed that he still had to stand trial for murder. No kidding.
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Hahahahahahhahahahahahahahah, but wasnt it Tyler that said "I'm suprised at the level of talent were seeing"

Hahahahahahahahahhaahahhahahahahah
 
skyismyoffice said:
A good source told me that one of the guys was let go because his background info revealed that he still had to stand trial for murder. No kidding.
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BOOM!

I was right, I was right, I was RIIIIGGGGGGHHHT!!!!!!!!
 
I heard today, and mind you this is just what I heard, but it came from a Flops pilot...one of the new hires in indoc asked Scheeringa if he was aware that they were the lowest paid fractional, and what/when they planned on doing about it. He was fired shortly thereafter, apparently that question made him not fit in the anti union mold they hope to shape new pilots in.
 
Hobbes said:
I heard today, and mind you this is just what I heard, but it came from a Flops pilot...one of the new hires in indoc asked Scheeringa if he was aware that they were the lowest paid fractional, and what/when they planned on doing about it. He was fired shortly thereafter, apparently that question made him not fit in the anti union mold they hope to shape new pilots in.
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Yikes......clams on that guy....
 
Many people are hired prior to the background check information arriving back. When we hire, the drug and alcohol check must be reported back before hire, however, the full all out background check is not initiated until the applicant has been offered and accepted the position. By the time you arrange training, indoctrination, etc..your preliminary report is done, and hopefully you will have the complete by first trip. The candidates understand that all things are subject to the checks. We had one in school before we came upon the fact they had failed to mention they were convicted sex offender.
 
Publishers said:
Many people are hired prior to the background check information arriving back. When we hire, the drug and alcohol check must be reported back before hire, however, the full all out background check is not initiated until the applicant has been offered and accepted the position. By the time you arrange training, indoctrination, etc..your preliminary report is done, and hopefully you will have the complete by first trip. The candidates understand that all things are subject to the checks. We had one in school before we came upon the fact they had failed to mention they were convicted sex offender.
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He must've come to Options after you guys let him go. Heard he flew a Beechjet for a while until a little misunderstanding in an ATL stairway!!! :laugh:
 

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