SkyWest may seek merger with rival airline ExpressJet

[theskyking]

Not really. The IBT simply isn't set up to represent air line pilots. I'm sure they do a great job for truckers, but pilots need representation that understands their career, especially at a small carrier like GIA that needs all the experienced help it can get. The IBT can't provide that help, but ALPA can. At carriers like Horizon and RAH, they have a large enough pilot group that they can mitigate this problem with the experience base that they have. GIA only has about 250 pilots, half of which are brand new to the industry. Not a very good knowledge base to run a union from without vast assistance from a national organization that understands pilot issues. I thought I did. I wouldn't work for either. I don't believe the union representation at GIA to be adequate, and Skywest doesn't have any at all. Neither carrier fits my needs, so I wouldn't work for either.

Found myself laughing at this. I fly for NetJets, who has arguably the best contract in the aviation industry, and we just happen to be IBT. Our contract was obtained through pilot solidarity and great local leadership. The national organization you send your dues to is less important than those.

You also completely discredit yourself by saying you would work for Mesa than OO. What an absurd statement. A legally binding contract ensuring you receive a handful of sh!t each week is not something to take over a non-union job with OK pay and work rules. Sure those can change, but for them to get to the level of Mesa's would put a union on property in a heartbeat. And SGU ain't gonna do that.

 

[Erlanger]

For some of you that think Skywest and ExpressJet would merger, well you're delusional. Skywest doesn't need to merge with anyone. They may buyout ExpressJet like they did ASA but no merger.

Jerry Atkin has always said from the start that he doesn't think that ExpressJet branded flying would ever work. When they first started it, I personally heard him say he gives them 2 years and then they'll end up like Independence. During Independence's days he also said it wouldn't work. The Skywest bigwigs have always said the branded flying is not in Skywest's future. They don't believe it can work. If Skywest was to buy ExpressJet you can bet that Skywest would stop the branded flying immediately.

As far as a merger of the senority list; ain't going to happen even if there was a buyout.

Skywest bought ASA to protect the DCI flying. ExpressJet has very little DCI flying (the LAX flying is eventually going back to Skywest, Inc.) and nor does their failing branded flying threaten anyone. Skywest will eventually get Continental flying without ExpressJet.

 

[10nCLR]

For some of you that think Skywest and ExpressJet would merger, well you're delusional. Skywest doesn't need to merge with anyone. They may buyout ExpressJet like they did ASA but no merger.

Jerry Atkin has always said from the start that he doesn't think that ExpressJet branded flying would ever work. When they first started it, I personally heard him say he gives them 2 years and then they'll end up like Independence. During Independence's days he also said it wouldn't work. The Skywest bigwigs have always said the branded flying is not in Skywest's future. They don't believe it can work. If Skywest was to buy ExpressJet you can bet that Skywest would stop the branded flying immediately.

As far as a merger of the senority list; ain't going to happen even if there was a buyout.

Skywest bought ASA to protect the DCI flying. ExpressJet has very little DCI flying (the LAX flying is eventually going back to Skywest, Inc.) and nor does their failing branded flying threaten anyone. Skywest will eventually get Continental flying without ExpressJet.

Word! <over>

 

[Bushhatesyou]

For some of you that think Skywest and ExpressJet would merger, well you're delusional. Skywest doesn't need to merge with anyone. They may buyout ExpressJet like they did ASA but no merger.

Jerry Atkin has always said from the start that he doesn't think that ExpressJet branded flying would ever work. When they first started it, I personally heard him say he gives them 2 years and then they'll end up like Independence. During Independence's days he also said it wouldn't work. The Skywest bigwigs have always said the branded flying is not in Skywest's future. They don't believe it can work. If Skywest was to buy ExpressJet you can bet that Skywest would stop the branded flying immediately.

As far as a merger of the senority list; ain't going to happen even if there was a buyout.

Skywest bought ASA to protect the DCI flying. ExpressJet has very little DCI flying (the LAX flying is eventually going back to Skywest, Inc.) and nor does their failing branded flying threaten anyone. Skywest will eventually get Continental flying without ExpressJet.

Hey dumba$$ Skywest already had Continental flying, and lost it.....

 

[bmpilot2003]

Hey dumba$$ Skywest already had Continental flying, and lost it.....

SkyWest didn't lose anything. Continental did not want to offer a long enough contract to fly a new fleet type so SkyWest turned down the contract.

But you knew that right?

In comes Colgan.

 

[bender]

SkyWest elected to terminate the agreement, not Continental.

 

[Erlanger]

Hey dumba$$ Skywest already had Continental flying, and lost it.....

Who are you calling dumba$$? You did read Bmpilot2003's and Bender's response, right?

One more thing; When Continental opens up a base at LAX in 2009 or 2010, lets see who gets the flying out of there. Do you have any idea why Skywest fought and recently got reprieve from the exclusivity clause with United and Delta out of LAX?

 

[ATRCA]

For some of you that think Skywest and ExpressJet would merger, well you're delusional. Skywest doesn't need to merge with anyone. They may buyout ExpressJet like they did ASA but no merger.

Jerry Atkin has always said from the start that he doesn't think that ExpressJet branded flying would ever work. When they first started it, I personally heard him say he gives them 2 years and then they'll end up like Independence. During Independence's days he also said it wouldn't work. The Skywest bigwigs have always said the branded flying is not in Skywest's future. They don't believe it can work. If Skywest was to buy ExpressJet you can bet that Skywest would stop the branded flying immediately.

As far as a merger of the senority list; ain't going to happen even if there was a buyout.

Skywest bought ASA to protect the DCI flying. ExpressJet has very little DCI flying (the LAX flying is eventually going back to Skywest, Inc.) and nor does their failing branded flying threaten anyone. Skywest will eventually get Continental flying without ExpressJet.

OMG, Cool-Aide is some crazy $hit. I truly don't know how SkyWest does it. How do they find these guys. Where? My guess is that XJT will shut down the branded stuff before too long, but that will have very little if any long term effect on XJT. They will turn the a/c back over to CAL and simply move on.

I doubt SKW will part with the bling that it would take to buy XJT. As far as SKW doing CAL flying........
1. Better think about getting your cost REAL LOW
2. 50 seat flying only. Who's looking for 50 seat flying anymore? Why would SKW want to make that kind of investment in a/c that have a limited future?

 

[Erlanger]

ATRCA says;

My guess is that XJT will shut down the branded stuff before too long, but that will have very little if any long term effect on XJT.

XJT stands to loose another 25% of their CAL flying next year.

ATRCA says;

I doubt SKW will part with the bling that it would take to buy XJT. As far as SKW doing CAL flying........
1. Better think about getting your cost REAL LOW
2. 50 seat flying only. Who's looking for 50 seat flying anymore? Why would SKW want to make that kind of investment in a/c that have a limited future?

Who said anything about 50 seat flying? There are CRJ700s, CRJ900, E170, E190 and the soon to be out CRJ1000 and the NextGen CRJ700/900s. Besides, don't count the 50 seaters out. They're going to be around for quite a while even though they won't be produced anymore.

 

[Superpilot92]

Who said anything about 50 seat flying? There are CRJ700s, CRJ900, E170, E190 and the soon to be out CRJ1000 and the NextGen CRJ700/900s. Besides, don't count the 50 seaters out. They're going to be around for quite a while even though they won't be produced anymore.

Not for CAL there isnt, but you already know that....

 

[ATRCA]

ATRCA says;

XJT stands to loose another 25% of their CAL flying next year.

ATRCA says;

Who said anything about 50 seat flying? There are CRJ700s, CRJ900, E170, E190 and the soon to be out CRJ1000 and the NextGen CRJ700/900s. Besides, don't count the 50 seaters out. They're going to be around for quite a while even though they won't be produced anymore.

Two Q's;

1. Do you think SKW will be doing CAL flying in -700's, -900's ?
2. In order to do the CAL flying should XJT lose additional flying SKW would have to use XJT's a/c. Those a/c belong to CAL and would be returned if the flying is taken from XJT. Do you think SKW will want to introduce the EMB a/c to their system??

Its hard to introduce a new fleet type and compete on costs. There are other carriers suited for that in my opinion.

 

[Hypoxik]

Wow...you OO guys just know how to get sleazier and sleazier.

 

[Erlanger]

Two Q's;

1. Do you think SKW will be doing CAL flying in -700's, -900's?

Who knows. This same question was asked just a few years ago regarding United and Delta. Now everyone is flying these aircraft and will probably be flying larger ones for them too. Everyone laughed whenever anyone would dare suggest that the regionals could be flying these types of aircraft. "Bigger then 50 seaters; never going to happen!", they would say.

2. In order to do the CAL flying should XJT lose additional flying SKW would have to use XJT's a/c. Those a/c belong to CAL and would be returned if the flying is taken from XJT. Do you think SKW will want to introduce the EMB a/c to their system??

Its hard to introduce a new fleet type and compete on costs. There are other carriers suited for that in my opinion.

True, Skywest doesn't want to add any new aircraft to its fleet for various reasons(though the E170 and E190 was recently added to the payscale), some as you mention but everything is negotiable and if it suits CAL, they'll make the change anyway they have to. Just ask the pilots at Delta and United how management twisted, bent, manipulated and negotiatied larger aircraft for the regionals. So even if XJT keeps their flying, what makes you think CAL won't award addition flying to other regionals using other type aircraft?

 

[10nCLR]

Wow...you OO guys just know how to get sleazier and sleazier.

and fruitier and fruitier. Cheers!

 

[Ben Dover]

I doubt SKW will part with the bling that it would take to buy XJT. As far as SKW doing CAL flying........

Expressjet has a market cap of about $126 million. And how much more than that do you think the company is worth?