Item number 77 you will never see happen at Skywest...

[rumrnr78]

Joe- I wish a regional airline was a career, (as a late bloomer myself), but it is not realistic. No amount of union alphabet soup will ever, I mean ever, bring you the rewards you want. Maybe you get to the head of the regional line, but every regional has it's turn in the barrel (think of the senior Comair guys just a few years ago). I hope you can and will move on. Cheers- rum

 

[JoeMerchant]

Yo Joey.... remember CRM.... "its not who's right but what's right..." History will tell in flying the line vol XXIV that you were right about brand scope and you like Al Gore are the father of brand scope... its your baby baby.....

Problem is Joe... you had the great idea about scope but you lacked the implementation skills to make it work. You have no character, political skills, leadership, relationship building, patience and personality to make it happen..... so you sued.

Rez.....I am not a politician and I never will be one.... I prefer to tell it exactly like I see it......If "brand scope" is best for all of us, then it is the responsibility of ALPA to push for it.....I prefer to call it like I see it.....If you want me to participate, I will, but I won't be muzzled by a union imposed gag order to tow the party line.....not in my nature.....

I understand "compromise", but I don't tow a "party line" in the interest of political expediency......

Get it done, or accept blame for failing to enact it.....the choice belongs to those of you in the Herndon inner circle.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe- I wish a regional airline was a career, (as a late bloomer myself), but it is not realistic. No amount of union alphabet soup will ever, I mean ever, bring you the rewards you want. Maybe you get to the head of the regional line, but every regional has it's turn in the barrel (think of the senior Comair guys just a few years ago). I hope you can and will move on. Cheers- rum

rumrnr....it is a career to some of us..... I make over 100K a year with a good schedule.....and it is now my career..... I gave up on chasing the dream....and decided to make this job the best I can.... I know a lot of the CMR folks and they are good folks.....I am not interested in becoming ALPA's next failure...

Good luck to you....the next time I "move on".....it will involve getting on a boat with a bunch of Rum and Buffett....

 

[yellowfever]

Joe,

Is it true that you tried to run for an ALPA position and lost?

 

[rumrnr78]

Joe I hope it works for you, I really do. I just can't imagine being on the scheduling hook to the likes of that b-h Georgia (she is probably gone). And, I know you are senior but I know you have to deal with those ASA scheduling tools at some point.

BTW, my best experiences were from very senior ASA pilots and they were a great resource, as a new hire and later as a newbie captain!! I was very fortunate to have great guidance and I just want the best for my ASA brothers and sisters thats all. I hope it works out I just think the regional odds are more of a long shot is all.

I hope you find that gig with the rum!!
rum

 

[10nCLR]

Joe I hope it works for you, I really do. I just can't imagine being on the scheduling hook to the likes of that b-h Georgia (she is probably gone). And, I know you are senior but I know you have to deal with those ASA scheduling tools at some point.

BTW, my best experiences were from very senior ASA pilots and they were a great resource, as a new hire and later as a newbie captain!! I was very fortunate to have great guidance and I just want the best for my ASA brothers and sisters thats all. I hope it works out I just think the regional odds are more of a long shot is all.

I hope you find that gig with the rum!!
rum

What's your favorite rum? Mine is from a little distillery in Barbados. Mmmm, rum punch with a shake of nutmeg.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Joe,

Is it true that you tried to run for an ALPA position and lost?

He "served" a three year term as an LEC (not MEC) Secretary-Treasurer where he only attended 4 meetings in the 3 years. He said he was boycotting the meetings until the MEC listened to him and acted on his demands.

He also supported a "coalition" consisting of his girlfriend and 3 other pilots she rounded up who tried to oust all of the current MEC members in the most recent election. They didn't succeed.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I just can't imagine being on the scheduling hook to the likes of that b-h Georgia (she is probably gone).
rum

Oh no... Georgia is in Crew Planning now writing lines! Good Times!

 

[Skaff]

One thing that you'll never see at Alaska is a domicile that I'm interested in. If they had their pilots spread across the country like Skywest does, their turnout would probably be lower

 

[Occam's Razor]

Rez.....I am not a politician and I never will be one....

Of course not! You're a man's man! A pilot's pilot. Someone who can't accept that a rational person could possibly have a different opinion on a key issue than you.

"Compromise"? The obligation of the other guy!

I prefer to tell it exactly like I see it......

'Cuz your priorities, opinions, and plans are always the best, right? Like that RJDC lawsuit. Slam-dunk, no-brainer, we'll-win-it-in-a-walk scheme.

(Quick! Somebody fax Dan Ford a MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner!)

Even a straight-shooter can kill the wrong target.

If "brand scope" is best for all of us, then it is the responsibility of ALPA to push for it.....

TILT!

Been there...tried that!

Somebody wanted 90% of the benefit with 0% of the cost. That killed any chance of seizing our best opportunity for Brand Scope. I was there. I was trying.

When ALPA screws the pooch...and boy, it does! It's when we adopt an All Or Nothing position and cling to it like loser stench clings to the RJDC. Any USAirway's guys wanna weigh-in on how "DOH or Death!" worked with the arbitrator?

What's wrong with ALPA?

1. You.
2. Everybody like you.
3. Everybody who listens to you.
4. The election process.

Congrats! You almost ran the table!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

He "served" a three year term as an LEC (not MEC) Secretary-Treasurer where he only attended 4 meetings in the 3 years. He said he was boycotting the meetings until the MEC listened to him and acted on his demands.

Wow.... my four year old has a better "plays well with others" skillset.

He also supported a "coalition" consisting of his girlfriend and 3 other pilots she rounded up who tried to oust all of the current MEC members in the most recent election. They didn't succeed.

I bet the 'cloak and dagger' meetings in trench coats and sunglasses, with secret handshakes and code names was the highlighted of thier efforts...

 

[waveflyer]

Occam's Razor- what's wrong IYO with the election process? Apologies if you've said it before.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Occam's Razor- what's wrong IYO with the election process? Apologies if you've said it before.

Where to start!

1. ALPA, citing Dept of Labor "rules" doesn't permit campaigning via any ALPA-sponsored media. Direct mailing is allowed, but full benefit of the Internet and other media capabilities means members can't question candidates unless they run into them in the crew lounge. Which means...

2. At large airlines, very few pilots know the candidates or their positions on specific issues. Even as homogeneous as pilots tend to be, it's all about priorities and skills. Tough to determine when all you know is, "Been here 8-years. Flies the DC-9. Believes all pilots should be represented fairly." 'Kay...so who do you support for MEC Chairman? Do you like Block representation? etc.

3. Nominating part of the process is dumb. Paper ballots counted at LEC meetings that permit changed votes, but base the validity of membership on a management-generated roster that can be over a month old.

I've got another list of issues with how many we're choosing in the first place...but that's a tangent.

 

[Nevets]

Where to start!

1. ALPA, citing Dept of Labor "rules" doesn't permit campaigning via any ALPA-sponsored media. Direct mailing is allowed, but full benefit of the Internet and other media capabilities means members can't question candidates unless they run into them in the crew lounge. Which means...

2. At large airlines, very few pilots know the candidates or their positions on specific issues. Even as homogeneous as pilots tend to be, it's all about priorities and skills. Tough to determine when all you know is, "Been here 8-years. Flies the DC-9. Believes all pilots should be represented fairly." 'Kay...so who do you support for MEC Chairman? Do you like Block representation? etc.

3. Nominating part of the process is dumb. Paper ballots counted at LEC meetings that permit changed votes, but base the validity of membership on a management-generated roster that can be over a month old.

I've got another list of issues with how many we're choosing in the first place...but that's a tangent.

So its basically like the presidential election process.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

We should NOT confuse our service based economy with democracy.

Our service economy is designed for instant gratification, no waiting, and 100% satisfaction.

Democracy is slow, inconveinent and deliberate, with limited 100% guarantee or your money back.

Now, with that said, can the nomination/campaign process be better...... of course....

With internet voting and convienence should the particaption rate be 35%?