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Boyd's Take on Unions and Mergers....

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Airline workers pipe up amid merger din
Friday January 25, 2:10 pm ET

CHICAGO (Reuters) - U.S. airline labor unions, hungry to reclaim wage and benefit concessions, are busily issuing demands in exchange for their support for a potential merger, as they try to influence back-room talks.
Delta Air Lines Inc (NYSE:DAL - News) has reportedly been in talks with Northwest Airlines Corp (NYSE:NWA - News) and United Airlines parent UAL Corp (NasdaqGS:UAUA - News) about a potential merger since mid-January. But the airlines have yet to publicly acknowledge the talks.
The pilots of Continental Airlines Inc (NYSE:CAL - News), which also is seen as a tempting merger partner, are preparing for a potential merger and plan to have a say in any deal.
"We will not stand idly by and allow a change in the airline landscape without taking steps to protect the interests of our pilots," Tom Donaldson, chairman of Continental's pilots' union said in a statement late Thursday.
Also on Thursday, the pilots of Northwest said they would support a Northwest merger with another carrier if the workers received a stake in the combined airline. Those pilots are represented by the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA).
Northwest's flight attendants, which like the carrier's pilots were forced to accept deep wage cuts while Northwest was in bankruptcy protection, said they also would demand a stake in a combined airline, as well as job protection and higher wages for its members.
The carriers' employees are nervous, as any deal could result in job losses and upset seniority rankings -- a key concern of airline employees.
Unions also see consolidation as an opportunity to claw back some of the hundreds of millions of dollars of wages and benefits lost during the industry's five-year slump, which ended in 2006.
ALPA, which also represents pilots at United, said it would resist a merger if its interests were ignored.
"United pilots will not rubber stamp any merger unless and until our interests are addressed. We are prepared to protect the careers and futures of our pilots in the event of any merger or consolidation scenario," Steve Wallach, chairman of United's ALPA chapter said in a statement last week.
The International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, which represents ground workers at United and Northwest, sent a letter last week to the chief executives of both of those airlines warning them not to use labor savings won in their respective bankruptcies to fund a merger that could harm union members.
But in the face of surging oil prices and a softening U.S. economy, their chances for big gains may be slim.
"It's correct for unions to strut their stuff. That's what they should do. But they don't have a lot of say in the matter," said airline consultant Michael Boyd on Friday.
"When you're talking about union demands in regards to a regular airline merger, it's like the Titanic crew wanting a better deal as the ship goes down," he said.
 
"When you're talking about union demands in regards to a regular airline merger, it's like the Titanic crew wanting a better deal as the ship goes down," he said.

a more accurate similie would be:

"...the Titanic crew demanding a better deal or making sure the ship goes down..."
 
Contrary to what you ALPA types think....no. They just try to "minimize" (yeah,right:rolleyes: ) the damage.
PHXFLYR:cool:
 
Gee, Wally! Why is it we discount Boyd unless one of his guesses happens to be congruent with our personal opinion?

Boyd's knowledge of ALPA, and unions in general, is weak. I think he has a decent handle on how managements think (oxymoron?), but little insight into how pilots think (bigger oxymoron?).
 
Gee, Wally! Why is it we discount Boyd unless one of his guesses happens to be congruent with our personal opinion?

Why limit it to Boyd Occam? If it doesn't concern actually moving the plane from point A to B, we seem to act this way about nearly every source of news or opinion out there. Squawk cynically when it's not what we want to hear, post all the stuff we do want to hear, and then start sucking our thumbs incredulously when something that was likely predicted years prior ends up happening. If it ain't on the tip of our noses, we just don't seem to believe it. 'Painted and on the ramp,' works great for some rumors, not so much for others.
 
Why limit it to Boyd Occam? If it doesn't concern actually moving the plane from point A to B, we seem to act this way about nearly every source of news or opinion out there. Squawk cynically when it's not what we want to hear, post all the stuff we do want to hear, and then start sucking our thumbs incredulously when something that was likely predicted years prior ends up happening. If it ain't on the tip of our noses, we just don't seem to believe it. 'Painted and on the ramp, works great for some rumors, not so much for others.

Excellent point. You nailed the pilot personality.

I was once at an organizing seminar in Herndon and Don Skiados (chairman of ALPA Communications) gave a talk about psychological research into the pilot personality. He gave the same basic description. We are either "ok" or "really pissed off" all the time. And we discount anything we don't want to believe. Which is odd since we are trained to ignore our feelings and instincts and trust the instruments and gauges.

Boyd may be a big mouth with little real experience in the industry, but he does have a point. I think ALPA (well, the MECs, really) are GROSSLY overplaying their hands in the control they think they'll have in a merger. To hear Lee Moak talk of blocking it if DALPA doesn't get its demands met is laughable. They would have to lead a wildcat strike. Not going to happen.
 
It all depends on whether or not we are all willing to go silently off into the night.

I say we fight, but it all depends on the line pilots.
 
To hear Lee Moak talk of blocking it if DALPA doesn't get its demands met is laughable. They would have to lead a wildcat strike. Not going to happen.


No wildcat strike required. Only a summer of love, which if done right is 100% legal and unstopable. It requires massive unity though, and that is in short supply in this industry most of the time. But it can and has been done.
 

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