High oil and RJs do not mix well.....

[79%N1]

Or unless you are the guy that is furloughed or downgraded to FO, and you have to sell your house, car, etc.

 

[say again]

For the guy with a family to feed, it is better to be sitting in an RJ than on the couch.

I actually made more money on unemployment, playing quick draw, while pounding a few of my favorite frosty beverages!!! :beer:

 

[Jmoney]

Love this Guy!

As for anyone else who is cheesed off by this idiot, his posts are not about RJs, they are not about fuel, they are all about self-justification....

Think about how sad the guy is.... The General comes here under "General Lee" and "737 Pylt" constantly-he has posted about 13,000 times under these two screen names. How inscure does someone have to be to make that many posts tooting their own horn?

This would be the equivalent of someone like me making fun of banner tow guys or flight instructors. That sort of crap is not cool-it is not funny.....It would not make me or any other normal person feel better about themselves.....

What we have here is simple: The General is a total sociopathic insecure child. He is coming here to show all the other "kids" what a great toy he just got and how that makes him better than everyone else.... He has done this @13,000 times and continues to do so......The man is absolutely pathetic-is anyone here actually jealous of someone that sorry?

 

[N2264J]

Re: High oil and RJs do not mix well...

I really don't see anything wrong with the regionals parking airplanes. That is, unless you want to work at a regional for the rest of your life.

Think about it. Parking the planes that bring the customer from Hooterville to the hub means less passengers connecting at the hub. Less passengers getting on a Delta plane, in turn, means that Delta needs less pilots to handle the loads.

After 9-11, Delta had far fewer furloughs than United or US Airways because Delta had a lot more RJs bringing people to the hub.

This is an industry wide problem.

 

[MJ42]

Think about it. Parking the planes that bring the customer from Hooterville to the hub means less passengers connecting at the hub. Less passengers getting on a Delta plane, in turn, means that Delta needs less pilots to handle the loads.

After 9-11, Delta had far fewer furloughs than United or US Airways because Delta had a lot more RJs bringing people to the hub.

This is an industry wide problem.

In theory you may be correct but there comes a point where the cost of operating an rj is not worth the "feed". With fuel prices this high, airlines are just about this breaking point.

After 9/11 Southwest did not furlough any pilot, had no rj feed. Granted they had a different business model but rj feed is not the answer, raising fares to cover the cost of the flight might be a good place to start.

 

[John Pennekamp]

In theory you may be correct but there comes a point where the cost of operating an rj is not worth the "feed". With fuel prices this high, airlines are just about this breaking point.

After 9/11 Southwest did not furlough any pilot, had no rj feed. Granted they had a different business model but rj feed is not the answer, raising fares to cover the cost of the flight might be a good place to start.

So what's the answer? Abandon domestic feed? A little company called Pam Am tried that. It didn't work so well.

 

[Jmoney]

I agree....

So what's the answer? Abandon domestic feed? A little company called Pam Am tried that. It didn't work so well.

The General doesn't care about making statements which make business sense, he just cares about self-justification and more importantly about trying to insult and belittle everyone else in a pathetic attempt to make himself feel good.

-What a sad little man you are, General....

 

[MJ42]

So what's the answer? Abandon domestic feed? A little company called Pam Am tried that. It didn't work so well.

I guess you missed the part where I said a good start would be RAISE FARES. I never said abandon domestic feed, so don't put words in my mouth.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I guess you missed the part where I said a good start would be RAISE FARES. I never said abandon domestic feed, so don't put words in my mouth.

OK, which costs more to operate on a flight to Des Moines or any other typical "feeder" route? And RJ or a "traditional" mainline feeder airplane like a 737 or a Maddog? You ready know the answer.

Despite the rising cost of fuel, the RJ will always be cheaper because of its lower operating and labor costs. While high jet fuel prices look bad on paper when spread out over 50 passengers (versus the 128 on a Maddog) the fact remains that the RJ still burns less fuel for a given route.

This being the case, the airlines need to raise fares to account for the rise in fuel, but KEEP the RJs. This would make better economic sense, because it would result in less of a fare increase as opposed to eliminating the RJ (and its crew) then replacing them with a much more expenive mainline aircraft, then making a higher fare adjustment to pay for it.

Don't you agree?

 

[AceCrackshot]

Or unless you are the guy that is furloughed or downgraded to FO, and you have to sell your house, car, etc.

If you're a pilot without a "Plan B," you're swinging without a net, my friend.

 

[AceCrackshot]

So what's the answer? Abandon domestic feed? A little company called Pam Am tried that. It didn't work so well.

Not exactly correct.

The .gov forced PA to buy the airplanes it had, because the .gov told PA what routes to operate.

When deregulation occured, the pilots of UA, DL, and AA were estatic because their route structure under Regulation gave them a much better fleet composition.

Everyone knew this in 1978...it wasn't a state secret.
So, the UA, DL, and AA guys threw the PA, Eastern, Braniff and TW guys under the bus, mostly for their career progression.

Then, joined by the WN guys, they threw the rest of us under the bus by Age 60.

Some things never change...and now you know the rest of the story.

 

[V-1]

Additionally, which makes more money (or loses less)?

30 passengers on a 50-seat Regional Jet.

30 passengers on a 100+ seat mainline jet.

Perhaps CFO Bastian is ahead of his time...an airline that deals with high fuel costs by not flying airplanes...it's an interesting concept. I wonder how much money an airline can make doing that?

Perhaps in the future all airlines should just shut down from Jan 7 - March 14, and September 7 - November 15, since demand is historically lower during those periods.

 

[AceCrackshot]

The only solution is allowing airlines to fail and/or consolidate.

The whole RJ vs. Mainline Jet fight (what a bogus argument!) is nothing more than rearraiging deck chairs on the Titantic.

The industry is going to fail. The only thing propping it up is the lessors and the banks.

But look at the subprime mess. Band-aids and temporary fixes are just that. The systemic problems of the inability of the airlines to price their product to match the market forces remains. You can burn your furniture to heat your home, but when you start ripping off the siding, well...

 

[MJ42]

This being the case, the airlines need to raise fares to account for the rise in fuel, but KEEP the RJs. This would make better economic sense, because it would result in less of a fare increase as opposed to eliminating the RJ (and its crew) then replacing them with a much more expenive mainline aircraft, then making a higher fare adjustment to pay for it.

Don't you agree?

Sort of, but maybe Delta is finally realizing that RJ's don't belong on routes like SLC-BHM. That route, and similar ones, are not what the RJ was intended for. I also never said get rid of the RJ's, but I am saying utilize them as they were intended.

 

[MJ42]

The only solution is allowing airlines to fail and/or consolidate.

The whole RJ vs. Mainline Jet fight (what a bogus argument!) is nothing more than rearraiging deck chairs on the Titantic.

The industry is going to fail. The only thing propping it up is the lessors and the banks.

But look at the subprime mess. Band-aids and temporary fixes are just that. The systemic problems of the inability of the airlines to price their product to match the market forces remains. You can burn your furniture to heat your home, but when you start ripping off the siding, well...

Agreed!