XJ CRJ900 street capt - kind of!!

[Rossa]

Here's the story:

I was furloughed by XJ, went to another carrier, was on the CRJ, when I realized that XJ was hiring (I don't frequent this board). I contacted Mesaba HR and was told that I had received and declined a recall - NOT TRUE! I had changed address during my furlough and had forwarded my new address to Mesaba. Around this time they say I was contacted, but nobody called me (my phone # remained the same and I didn't see any email notification). I called ALPA national and told them - they felt that the manner of notification was not sufficient and would follow up with Mesaba.
That was several weeks ago. Today I got a call offering me my choice of captain class - I have CRJ time now, so I took the 900, which they said they'd give me a firm class date later this week.

Anyway, if there are any XJ furloughees out there, you can appeal to ALPA and get your old seniority slot back, followed by whatever you can hold. Not exactly a street captain position, but HR seemed to think that there were more of us out there. The inadequate notification process and subsequent hiring binge is pure red tail SOP.

Guess the 900 won't be going as junior as everyone thought. BTW, all you guys hired after the recall will be sliding backwards by atleast 1 number, maybe more.....

 

[samballs]

I think you did a good job of back dooring Mesaba, But I don't believe you didn't know they were hiring

 

[Rossa]

I think you did a good job of back dooring Mesaba, But I don't believe you didn't know they were hiring

I don't come to work to discuss rumors all day, nor do I spend my time talking about the hiring trend of other companies. That being said, XJ management did me no favors back in the day and a recall is a recall - if you're going to do it, do it right!

Sorry if this annoys the other opportunists out there, but nobody wept for me or my peers back in '06.

 

[say again]

You earned the slot and wish you the best!!

 

[Flybet3]

I don't come to work to discuss rumors all day, nor do I spend my time talking about the hiring trend of other companies. That being said, XJ management did me no favors back in the day and a recall is a recall - if you're going to do it, do it right!

Sorry if this annoys the other opportunists out there, but nobody wept for me or my peers back in '06.

Oh boy, this is going to be good!

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Guess the 900 won't be going as junior as everyone thought. BTW, all you guys hired after the recall will be sliding backwards by atleast 1 number, maybe more.....

I'd edit that line out.....

 

[Poahi]

I think you did a good job of back dooring Mesaba, But I don't believe you didn't know they were hiring

FI's message board doesn't constitute notice from XJ.

 

[samballs]

FI's message board doesn't constitute notice from XJ.

These are excuses, if you are furloughed and want to go back you'd be paying attention to what is going on.
From his post I read, "I waited till i saw how things panned out at XJ, then once I realized I could hold Capt. I called ALPA knowing XJ messed up when they never notified me correctly". Now good for him on getting the slot he deserves, but this is how I read his post, and his Ahole comment about step back one spot all you new hires is only more proof of his ways.

 

[Andrew_VT]

You sound like an opportunistic SOB that got one over on the company...good for you.

Bragging about it though, and especially in the above manner ("you're all moving back a spot") doesn't seem very smart.

 

[M-crit]

Same thing happened to me. I got a letter in the mail and I bid to be bypassed on the 1st round of callbacks- which was granted. Then, I never got a second letter notifying me that I was giving up my number if i failed to respond. I say good for this guy after what the company did to its people. Fu!k them.

 

[saabtrash]

Boy, you sound like a bit of a tool. After your done "sliding" everyone back that got hired after the recalls (the few who got 900 captain that is)...(lets see 1 person?), I hope you enjoy sitting close to the bottom of the list indefinitely, stud.

 

[Flybet3]

Boy, you sound like a bit of a tool. After your done "sliding" everyone back that got hired after the recalls (the few who got 900 captain that is)...(lets see 1 person?), I hope you enjoy sitting close to the bottom of the list indefinitely, stud.

No kidding.

 

[Rossa]

You guys are hilarious! You throw each other under the bus (myself included) at the first sign of furlough/trouble of any kind, then you sit on your high horses letting me know I'm an "A-hole" for my comment. Your justification: that's seniority for you, have fun paying your bills while we look after the top half of the list.
Make no mistake, everyone going to XJ nowadays is an opportunist, not a knight in shining armor. Where were they when XJ was letting pilots go? That's right, sitting at another carrier (not including flight instructors) and now that Mesaba has turned the corner, they're heading there for the quick upgrade. Now I don't know how this will affect anyone at XJ, with regard to seat locks, etc.., but I could have quietly slipped into class and said nothing. Save for a few, you guys wouldn't know anything had changed. Now, atleast you know that there could be changes coming that might affect your choice of whether or not to take a slot there. Whether you like my choice of words, or not, the fact is that anyone who came on property since the recalls ended will be sliding backwards - maybe by 1 .... maybe by 100, who knows.

If you're waiting for your seat lock on the SAAB to end with street capts for the CRJ, then you could be waiting for a while longer (not a smarta$$ comment, just an observation). Talk to management, they might give you more of an indication of what is coming. Steve (HR) thought that there may be a flood of guys coming back after they re-contact people.

 

[XJPilot547]

If there are guys that genuinely got left out mistakenly, I hope they all get to return soon. Whatever seat/aircraft their senority allows them to return to doesn't matter one bit to me. I just hope those that were mistakenly left out aren't like you. Re-read your post. You didn't post to be helpful, just to be pompous. I'd like to know, how did all of us throw you under the bus?

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Usually the union sends out mail and emails to furloughed pilots updating them on the situation even if the company doesn't call. There is no way you couldn't have known. Sounds like you are opening a pandora's box with this one.

 

[Terry Hunter]

If you were so interested in returning to XJ, you would have ensured that your contact information was up to date, and perhaps you would have been contacting XJ yourself throughout the process.

I understand that you think what you are saying is a benefit for those furloughed and not contacted appropriately, and there may still be a chance for them to return. However, I'm guessing that the likelihood of this is slim... I believe that most people on the recall list knew one way or the other that recalls were occurring.

 

[Mesabi Miner]

Keep it to yourself.

In my opinion, any CRJ-900 Captain awardee at XJ with less than 4 years at the company had better get down on both knees, thank God for your good fortune and keep your damn mouth shut when talking about it. There are alot more deserving people who belong in that seat.

Sincerely,

MM

 

[outsidethecloud]

You guys are hilarious! You throw each other under the bus (myself included) at the first sign of furlough/trouble of any kind, then you sit on your high horses letting me know I'm an "A-hole" for my comment.

I don't know how closely you followed the bankruptcy process (by reading your last few posts I think we are all to believe that you had no idea what was going on) but I would be happy to shed some light as to what went on. After everyone still lucky enough to be on property got done "throwing you under the bus" we all took it up the collective tailpipe. Some top of the list guys taking an effective 60% pay cut, Saab capts that had held a great schedule for years had a drastic pay cut and were now working weekends, a good chunk of folks who finally saw light in the way of a left seat spot after 6 or 7 years were sent back to FO, and probably the people it was the toughest on were the FO's who had been on and off of reserve for about 5 years were just sentenced to another two.
So before you come back with the attitude that you were thrown under the bus by all of us who rode out the trouble you should probably do a little more research.
Welcome back and see you online

 

[YourPilotFriend]

You guys are hilarious! You throw each other under the bus (myself included) at the first sign of furlough/trouble of any kind, then you sit on your high horses letting me know I'm an "A-hole" for my comment.

I don't know how closely you followed the bankruptcy process (by reading your last few posts I think we are all to believe that you had no idea what was going on) but I would be happy to shed some light as to what went on. After everyone still lucky enough to be on property got done "throwing you under the bus" we all took it up the collective tailpipe. Some top of the list guys taking an effective 60% pay cut, Saab capts that had held a great schedule for years had a drastic pay cut and were now working weekends, a good chunk of folks who finally saw light in the way of a left seat spot after 6 or 7 years were sent back to FO, and probably the people it was the toughest on were the FO's who had been on and off of reserve for about 5 years were just sentenced to another two.
So before you come back with the attitude that you were thrown under the bus by all of us who rode out the trouble you should probably do a little more research.
Welcome back and see you online

I think Rossa was an expert on the bankruptcy here at NWA, read said persons posts from a while back. I remember talking to him about the Mainline bankruptcy.

 

[Rossa]

And I believe that you were/are an even bigger expert on all things involving a red tail!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Here's the story:

I was furloughed by XJ, went to another carrier, was on the CRJ, when I realized that XJ was hiring (I don't frequent this board). I contacted Mesaba HR and was told that I had received and declined a recall - NOT TRUE! I had changed address during my furlough and had forwarded my new address to Mesaba. Around this time they say I was contacted, but nobody called me (my phone # remained the same and I didn't see any email notification). I called ALPA national and told them - they felt that the manner of notification was not sufficient and would follow up with Mesaba.
That was several weeks ago. Today I got a call offering me my choice of captain class - I have CRJ time now, so I took the 900, which they said they'd give me a firm class date later this week.

Anyway, if there are any XJ furloughees out there, you can appeal to ALPA and get your old seniority slot back, followed by whatever you can hold. Not exactly a street captain position, but HR seemed to think that there were more of us out there. The inadequate notification process and subsequent hiring binge is pure red tail SOP.

Guess the 900 won't be going as junior as everyone thought. BTW, all you guys hired after the recall will be sliding backwards by atleast 1 number, maybe more.....

WTG!
Stay till 65, that will show them!
PBR

 

[XJohXJ]

Rossa:

Mesaba management are real pros at exploiting every dropped comma and minor clause in the contract to their absolute advantage. They also have recently stepped up their efforts to just plain outright violate the contract. I have no problem whatsoever with pilots who use the contract to their own advantage. That's just the atmosphere that Mesaba mgt. have created for us.

But why are you thumbing your nose at your own pilot group? You show some animosity towards the senior most pilots, but what do they care about one more or less 900 CA below them? What you are doing will never even be noticed by the senior guys.

The pilots you seem to be lording over are the 2007 hires, who had nothing whatsoever to do with the BK and subsequent furloughs. Those are the only pilots you are currently senior to, except for some of the other furloughees. What could you possibly have against the other furloughees? They were in the exact same boat which you were in. What do you have against them?

As far as the pilots senior to you, many of them were furloughed at some previous time. Do you think they somehow orchestrated your personal furlough to their advantages?

As far as the old "ha ha, I got 900 CA" theme goes, do you think that this somehow has hurt Mesaba mgt? They need pilots! I'm sure they are happy to have one more 900CA lined up. It's going junior anyway. Currently it's going to people, such as yourself, who were recently recalled from furlough.
You were furloughed too, and now you're back, and you got to skip a few extra months as a senior FO. What exactly have you accomplished which is any different from what all the other mid-to-lower-seniority 2004-2005 hire FO's have accomplished? We all rode the rapids out, and we're all CA's now.

In summary:

What's your point?

 

[EMB170Pilot]

who cares, its a crj

yippie

 

[Rossa]

Rossa:

Mesaba management are real pros at exploiting every dropped comma and minor clause in the contract to their absolute advantage. They also have recently stepped up their efforts to just plain outright violate the contract. I have no problem whatsoever with pilots who use the contract to their own advantage. That's just the atmosphere that Mesaba mgt. have created for us.

But why are you thumbing your nose at your own pilot group? You show some animosity towards the senior most pilots, but what do they care about one more or less 900 CA below them? What you are doing will never even be noticed by the senior guys.

The pilots you seem to be lording over are the 2007 hires, who had nothing whatsoever to do with the BK and subsequent furloughs. Those are the only pilots you are currently senior to, except for some of the other furloughees. What could you possibly have against the other furloughees? They were in the exact same boat which you were in. What do you have against them?

As far as the pilots senior to you, many of them were furloughed at some previous time. Do you think they somehow orchestrated your personal furlough to their advantages?

As far as the old "ha ha, I got 900 CA" theme goes, do you think that this somehow has hurt Mesaba mgt? They need pilots! I'm sure they are happy to have one more 900CA lined up. It's going junior anyway. Currently it's going to people, such as yourself, who were recently recalled from furlough.
You were furloughed too, and now you're back, and you got to skip a few extra months as a senior FO. What exactly have you accomplished which is any different from what all the other mid-to-lower-seniority 2004-2005 hire FO's have accomplished? We all rode the rapids out, and we're all CA's now.

In summary:

What's your point?

I apologize for my previous tone. After I was "used" by, what I felt, was both sides in a bankruptcy case - one used myself and others as a scare to the others on property, the other side used us as a cushion to protect those that were senior (atleast it felt that way), I got pretty disillusioned with management and ALPA. I went to ASA just in time to see us get screwed by SkyWest management, among others. All, I and others want is to get our time in the left seat and get out. I have CRJ time, you have CRJs.

ALPA needs to abandon its' archaic seniority list nonsense - it works against, not for pilots, but as long as that's the way it's done, I'll just have to work within the system.

I didn't start this thread with the intent of thumbing my nose at others, but chose my words poorly - sorry.

What I would consider, whether yur on property there or not:

What's this going to do to my seat lock?
What's going to happen to the disbursement of bankruptcy funds, which pilots received into their 401Ks?
How is your fast upgrade into the SAAB going to be affected by this?

These are all salient points, to be considered by all the Mesaba folks.

BTW, I have received a considerable number of PMs regarding this thread. It's obvious that this thing is going to gather momentum, as the recall was completely botched by both sides - no amount of denying that will change what's coming.

Good luck to all!

 

[TAWS]

Got a voicemail from mesaba HR today, said they were contacting everyone on the furlough list and wanted an updated address.

Not sure about returning the call. What do you guys think?

 

[SplitBar]

The Bankruptcy funds have already been paid out. Don't hold your breath for any creditor claim $$. The only money that remains to be paid out is for those who felt the need to hold out for the extra $0.03 on the dollar. All but a handful sold their claim to Goldman Sachs.

 

[SEVEN]

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[W&BWiz]

What I would consider, whether yur on property there or not:

What's this going to do to my seat lock?
What's going to happen to the disbursement of bankruptcy funds, which pilots received into their 401Ks?
How is your fast upgrade into the SAAB going to be affected by this?

These are all salient points, to be considered by all the Mesaba folks





I think something for you to think about is the fact its not really hard to find out who you are, one quick look at the seniority list will narrow it down. As for seat lock, your right it might change, and now those 7 year FO's who took saab capt, are now going to take jet capt, and gosh darn, they might slide you back down... I hope more than one number.
The bankruptcy claim.... I think, and I could be wrong, but I think you're going to find your piece of the pie is gone. So while your now "paying your bills" and getting your time on reserve, it'll give you the chance to pay your dues.
BTW, I too was a furloughed recall, and I remember thinking how Mesaba seemed to always hire quality people, you seem to be that rare 1 percenter.
Of course, if your here to just stir the pot, good job!

 

[XJohXJ]

The Bankruptcy funds have already been paid out. Don't hold your breath for any creditor claim $$. The only money that remains to be paid out is for those who felt the need to hold out for the extra $0.03 on the dollar. All but a handful sold their claim to Goldman Sachs.

That's not entirely true. The furloughed pilots who accepted recall were not allowed to sell our claims. We did not "hold out for the extra $0.03". We did not have the choice. We are all still owed about a third of our claims, which amounts to a few thousand dollars each.

 

[XJohXJ]

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