A Merry And SAFE Floptions Christmas

[SilverSurfer]

I have a lot at stake this season and I will always error on the side safety. I need to make absolutely sure that my aircraft is 100% fit for flight, that I am rested and healthy showing no signs of fatigue or diminished health, that I follow all check list to the letter. I will adhere to FAR's to the letter and not allow anyone to persuade me to operate outside of the black and white of the regs. During the holiday season everything gets so rushed, I won't allow myself to be hurried or pressured into cutting corners, I will slow down and think carefully about every aspect of what I'm doing and how it could effect my carrier.

These simple holiday principals should ensure the safest and happiest holiday season for my passengers, the company, and me.

 

[Rubber Ducky]

Safety first

I always act as you describe above and will continue to do so over the coming holiday. Do not be rushed. Take your time, be thorough. I want to wish everybody a Merry safe Christmas!!!!

 

[Dingo221]

And the union pin look very sharp on the new tie!

 

[FR8DOG777]

Don't forget the secret sickout date either

It's a good thing we didn't accomplish that work action thingy back in November. You guys did a great job of throwing them off track of the real date 1/1/08. You know 1108 day. Keep up the good work my friends. I look forward to the day we can officially end this oppression or the company whichever comes first. Fly safe. There is life beyond floptions.

 

[skanza]

here we go again....

It's a good thing we didn't accomplish that work action thingy back in November. You guys did a great job of throwing them off track of the real date 1/1/08. You know 1108 day. Keep up the good work my friends. I look forward to the day we can officially end this oppression or the company whichever comes first. Fly safe. There is life beyond floptions.

Hey d!ck, why end the company? Is it because you and your lazy union-oids are so selfish and immature that you would (and I'm going to use your favorite phrase) bite, even sever the hand that feeds?! Don't you yet relize that far more people work for this company that want to than you and your self-destructive babies? Come on, just get out and let the people that count on Flight Options continue to have a stable income by contributing to the company that work for. And go ahead with your normal "you're a managment troll, go back in your hole" reply, just remember that I'm niether. Just because I'm anti lazy-folks, doesn't mean I am in managment.

And any dummy can see through the first post on this thread that this is a "fold your arms, hold your breath and pout" manuver, just because you don't get what you greedy, *the world owes me* people want. Fly "safe"? No airplane is 100% fit for flight...ever. That's why there are almost two of everything onboard, and they all seem to fly just fine because there are a lot of great pilots out there, and many at F.O.


Nice job keeping the 1-1-08 date a secret, I won't tell anyone...

 

[dime line]

Hey d!ck, why end the company? Is it because you and your lazy union-oids are so selfish and immature that you would (and I'm going to use your favorite phrase) bite, even sever the hand that feeds?! Don't you yet relize that far more people work for this company that want to than you and your self-destructive babies? Come on, just get out and let the people that count on Flight Options continue to have a stable income by contributing to the company that work for. And go ahead with your normal "you're a managment troll, go back in your hole" reply, just remember that I'm niether. Just because I'm anti lazy-folks, doesn't mean I am in managment.

And any dummy can see through the first post on this thread that this is a "fold your arms, hold your breath and pout" manuver, just because you don't get what you greedy, *the world owes me* people want. Fly "safe"? No airplane is 100% fit for flight...ever. That's why there are almost two of everything onboard, and they all seem to fly just fine because there are a lot of great pilots out there, and many at F.O.


Nice job keeping the 1-1-08 date a secret, I won't tell anyone...

Wow you sound like one of our past or present PM's

 

[Hobbes]

Hey Skanza - the world doesn't owe me. The FLOPS mismanagement team and our owners DO. They are the ones that have been reaping benefits at the expense of me and mine. Merry Christmas.

(for the record - I TOO would rather see this contract negotiation end in the shut down of the company than for it to continue operating as poorly as it does.)

 

[PigPile]

Skanza, I think you completely missed the joke in the post. Try not to take everything literally.

 

[WabiSabi]

Hey d!ck, why end the company? Is it because you and your lazy union-oids are so selfish and immature that you would (and I'm going to use your favorite phrase) bite, even sever the hand that feeds?! Don't you yet relize that far more people work for this company that want to than you and your self-destructive babies? Come on, just get out and let the people that count on Flight Options continue to have a stable income by contributing to the company that work for. And go ahead with your normal "you're a managment troll, go back in your hole" reply, just remember that I'm niether. Just because I'm anti lazy-folks, doesn't mean I am in managment.

And any dummy can see through the first post on this thread that this is a "fold your arms, hold your breath and pout" manuver, just because you don't get what you greedy, *the world owes me* people want. Fly "safe"? No airplane is 100% fit for flight...ever. That's why there are almost two of everything onboard, and they all seem to fly just fine because there are a lot of great pilots out there, and many at F.O.


Nice job keeping the 1-1-08 date a secret, I won't tell anyone...

Actually, you ARE lazy, not to mention a chickenshirt. Also, you have been told time and again; If FLOPS shuts the doors, it won't be the pilot's fault, it would be due to inept management. It is IGNORANT to believe otherwise.

Take a friggin stand you spineless amoeba!

Fly safely, ESPECIALLY during peak travel. I say especially ONLY because it is a more hectic time and management tends to go into full time dipshirt mode.

 

[SilverSurfer]

Hey d!ck, why end the company? Is it because you and your lazy union-oids are so selfish and immature that you would (and I'm going to use your favorite phrase) bite, even sever the hand that feeds?! Don't you yet relize that far more people work for this company that want to than you and your self-destructive babies? Come on, just get out and let the people that count on Flight Options continue to have a stable income by contributing to the company that work for. And go ahead with your normal "you're a managment troll, go back in your hole" reply, just remember that I'm niether. Just because I'm anti lazy-folks, doesn't mean I am in managment.

And any dummy can see through the first post on this thread that this is a "fold your arms, hold your breath and pout" manuver, just because you don't get what you greedy, *the world owes me* people want. Fly "safe"? No airplane is 100% fit for flight...ever. That's why there are almost two of everything onboard, and they all seem to fly just fine because there are a lot of great pilots out there, and many at F.O.


Nice job keeping the 1-1-08 date a secret, I won't tell anyone...

OK, hey you $hit for brains coward, no one is out to end the company. We are out to force an incompetent management that has taken pleasure in gutting our jobs into a contract that will get back all that they have taken and much more. Just because you are willing to accept substandard pay, schedule, and working conditions doesn't mean that anyone else does. In fact, in case you haven't checked lately you are in the small and shrinking minority of gutless wonders that are still unwilling to fight back. Most of us have come to understand what kind of management that runs this company and that we are faced with. We no longer are going to blindly sit and watch as management destroys what's left of this job. We have decided to standup and take a stand for our selves and even $hitbag coward morons like you. You call it greed, we call it industry standard. You call it greed, we call it just compensation. You call it greed, we call it looking out for ours selves and our families.

One of these days when we are successful at a contract even a POS like you that was unwilling to stand with us and fight will reap the rewards. The price you will pay is after the contract when the SCAB's like you become known, you will be outcast from the rest of the pilots that stood together and fought together to take back control of our jobs.

So go ahead and be the coward bitch you obviously are and whine about what the real pilots at this company are doing to fight back. You and the rest of the SCAB, a$$ wipe, management butt monkeys keep on flying illegal jets, keep flying over duty regs, keep cutting corners and operating unsafely, you keep operating in the substandard unprofessional manner that management expects you too and you always have. The rest of us are going to drag this company, you included, kicking and screaming if necessary, out from the bottom of the $hitbucket that our current management has worked so hard to put us in.

Please excuse any misspelled words, this was typed on my PDA, I couldn't wait to respond to the pu$$y.

And Merry Christmas to you.

 

[skanza]

Wow. Lot's 'o strong words dude. You sound like a pseudo-fr8dog777... he scares me. oh well...

Anyways, I think I might not have been clear with my point partially because I lowered myself to the railroad and autoworkers' blue collar level of bitchin' about blue collar stuff. I guess my point was to show poeple that even though they may honestly not be trying to shut down a company by protesting, shutting down the company may be the result of thier actions and that is dangerous. I believe that fair pay and treatment are due to all pilots, I just don't think that "playing the game" is the right way to do it. Since negotiations in progess, I don't think that disrupting the operation is a good, professional way to prove a point. If the owners are not happy, they will not buy into Flight Options and there will be nothing to negotiate. Of course I do not condone flying an illegal aircraft (and anyone that does is the ultimate example of being unprofessional) but one should be reasonable. Delay a trip because there are some stickers on the outside aft part of the aircraft missing?? Come on guys!

Oh, and name calling is for kids, or retards on the internet...the affect is the same. But I guess I'm one just like the rest...

 

[x402]

Wow. Lot's 'o strong words dude. You sound like a pseudo-fr8dog777... he scares me. oh well...

Anyways, I think I might not have been clear with my point partially because I lowered myself to the railroad and autoworkers' blue collar level of bitchin' about blue collar stuff. I guess my point was to show poeple that even though they may honestly not be trying to shut down a company by protesting, shutting down the company may be the result of thier actions and that is dangerous. I believe that fair pay and treatment are due to all pilots, I just don't think that "playing the game" is the right way to do it. Since negotiations in progess, I don't think that disrupting the operation is a good, professional way to prove a point. If the owners are not happy, they will not buy into Flight Options and there will be nothing to negotiate. Of course I do not condone flying an illegal aircraft (and anyone that does is the ultimate example of being unprofessional) but one should be reasonable. Delay a trip because there are some stickers on the outside aft part of the aircraft missing?? Come on guys!

Oh, and name calling is for kids, or retards on the internet...the affect is the same. But I guess I'm one just like the rest...

First you insult the hard working people that build our cars in this country. Just because you happen to wear a tie ( I wouldn't if it wasn't required) doesn't give you any right denigrate the Auto Workers and Railroad Workers of America.
Secondly you have decided what to write up on an aircraft. If a placard is required and is not MEL'able or on some MX Carryover program, it is you JOB to write it up. The company says so and more importantly the FAA says so. We don't get to pick and choose which regulations we like.
Flight Options owners need to feel the heat of poorly managed and poorly maintained aircraft. Then they can speak to the Company.

 

[Freedom]

Hey Snaggle Tooth (name calling per your request):

Wow. Lot's 'o strong words dude. You sound like a pseudo-fr8dog777... he scares me. oh well...

Anyways, I think I might not have been clear with my point partially because I lowered myself to the railroad and autoworkers' blue collar level of bitchin' about blue collar stuff. I guess my point was to show poeple that even though they may honestly not be trying to shut down a company by protesting, shutting down the company may be the result of thier actions and that is dangerous. I believe that fair pay and treatment are due to all pilots, I just don't think that "playing the game" is the right way to do it. Since negotiations in progess, I don't think that disrupting the operation is a good, professional way to prove a point. If the owners are not happy, they will not buy into Flight Options and there will be nothing to negotiate. Of course I do not condone flying an illegal aircraft (and anyone that does is the ultimate example of being unprofessional) but one should be reasonable. Delay a trip because there are some stickers on the outside aft part of the aircraft missing?? Come on guys!

Oh, and name calling is for kids, or retards on the internet...the affect is the same. But I guess I'm one just like the rest...

Are you suggesting that the NetJets Pilots are UNPROFESSIONAL???

Because they did exactly what is being suggested be done at Flight Options.

Result: An Industry Leading Contract that forced their management to deal with their Pilots in a respectful manner by Showing the Pilots THE MONEY.

And once NetJets Management realized they could no longer get one over on their Pilot Group, what did they do? Continue the War? No. They went back to the table with the Pilot Union to get an even better deal for the Pilots and the Company.

If Flight Options goes out of business, it will be Scheeringa's fault, not the Pilots. Ford and Harrison could care less whether the place stays in business. In fact, if it went out of business, it would just bury one of their union organizing campaign losses.

The real question here is, will Scheeringa be as smart as Santulli, and when he realizes the doors will close unless he settles with the Pilots, will he call off the hired guns of Ford and Harrison, or will he let the place burn down.

My guess is, as much as Scheeringa hates Unions, he is more concerned about his Professional Reputation as a Leader. He cannot afford to have another operation go under on his watch like happened at Metro Jet (USAirways attempt to compete with Southwest using an airline within an airline concept), so he will do the right thing and settle with his Pilots.

But he will do no such thing unless he is forced to, and he feels the company will fail unless he settles.

It is the job of the Pilots to make him understand we would rather see the place go under, than continue to live under severely substandard industry compensation.

Freedom is not Free.

 

[WabiSabi]

Of course I do not condone flying an illegal aircraft (and anyone that does is the ultimate example of being unprofessional) but one should be reasonable. Delay a trip because there are some stickers on the outside aft part of the aircraft missing?? Come on guys!

The airplane is either down or it is not down. It is not up to the pilots. It is up to maintenance. Trip delay for a missing placard? That's the cost of doing business.

Oh, and name calling is for kids, or retards on the internet...the affect is the same. But I guess I'm one just like the rest...

Hey d!ck, why end the company?

Not only are you a spineless coward, you're a hypocrite.

 

[SilverSurfer]

Wow. Lot's 'o strong words dude. You sound like a pseudo-fr8dog777... he scares me. oh well...

Anyways, I think I might not have been clear with my point partially because I lowered myself to the railroad and autoworkers' blue collar level of bitchin' about blue collar stuff. I guess my point was to show poeple that even though they may honestly not be trying to shut down a company by protesting, shutting down the company may be the result of thier actions and that is dangerous. I believe that fair pay and treatment are due to all pilots, I just don't think that "playing the game" is the right way to do it. Since negotiations in progess, I don't think that disrupting the operation is a good, professional way to prove a point. If the owners are not happy, they will not buy into Flight Options and there will be nothing to negotiate. Of course I do not condone flying an illegal aircraft (and anyone that does is the ultimate example of being unprofessional) but one should be reasonable. Delay a trip because there are some stickers on the outside aft part of the aircraft missing?? Come on guys!

Oh, and name calling is for kids, or retards on the internet...the affect is the same. But I guess I'm one just like the rest...

I agree with x402 that you should not belittle another group or profession to excuse your narrow and immature view of the state of affairs at Floptions. Man up dude!

$hithead and Punjab will not allow the company to shut down, their resumes are at stake. You characterized what pilots are doing now as a protest of some kind. You could not be more wrong. They are exercising their authority as the captains of their ship to decide when and if it fly’s. What’s at play here is a simple economics equation, nothing more nothing less and one simple principal needs to be made painfully clear to management. The equations is this; until we make the cost of dragging out the negotiations process, as management has been doing, become more expensive then the cost of completing contract, management has no incentive to change anything. They will drag it out as long as we let them. If you have been in this business long enough to have witnessed how the negotiation process at NJ you would know this. For years NJ negotiation floundered producing a TA not worth the paper it was printed on. And nothing would have changed except a group of pilots came along that understood what it was going to take to persuade management of their folly. 10 months later NJ signed a contract that set the bar in the fractional industry. Since they signed that agreement the pilots have now made NJ prosperous and profitable.

The only ones that are playing a dangerous game are your management buddies. They are the ones that are putting this company at risk. They are the ones that are keeping this company from profitability, they are the ones that are fostering a hostile environment, they are the ones that are holding back the pace of negotiations.

You say you are for fair pay and treatment for pilots, and that you don’t think that we are going about it the right way. What would your way be????? Expect management to do the “right” thing, having another bull$hit pilot focus group???? That’s worked real good for us so far. We are not “playing the game”, we are doing what is necessary to persuade management to step up to the plate. Nothing else will work and you are naïve, ill informed and blinded by management koolaid to think anything different.

“Of course I do not condone flying an illegal aircraft (and anyone that does is the ultimate example of being unprofessional) but one should be reasonable.”

Pal you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth. The jet is either legal or its not, there is no in between. We have FAA approved documents to decide if a discovered discrepancy will allow the jet to continue, you do not have that discretion. Our job is simply to discover and document. Those “stickers” you mention if discovered by a FAA ramp check could cost you a stamp on your ticket. Are you willing to take one in the a$$ to make points with your management pals. I’m not!!!

Get your head out of that dark smelly place dude and see what is plainly in front of you.

 

[fischman]

FLOPS Pilots

Guys,

There is a lot of emotion on this thread, and I understand why.

Do you want a contract?

Here's how.

You MUST take emotion out of the equation. You MUST keep ice water in the veins at ALL times. Remember it is just business. On both sides of the table.


Unity Pride Strength.

 

[SilverSurfer]

Guys,

There is a lot of emotion on this thread, and I understand why.

Do you want a contract?

Here's how.

You MUST take emotion out of the equation. You MUST keep ice water in the veins at ALL times. Remember it is just business. On both sides of the table.


Unity Pride Strength.

You are right, there is a lot of emotion in this fight. I came into it late, paying my dues all along but not really "on the program". After the latest rump stuffing I took over this past year and getting a cold sholder form management when a tried to talk to them about it I got major league pissed and started asking about what was going on with negotiations and when we would have a contract. Some of our union leaders helped me to understand what needed to happen for us to be successful in our quest for a contract. I have committed myself to doing what ever I have to to make sure that management knows that they will lose this fight and to persuade them to learn it now rather then later. When I see guys like skanza that still have no clue, running his Internet trap, it gets me a little hot under the collar.:angryfire

 

[Frac Cap]

Talking to a bunch of Net Jet guys yesterday, and even though they were working Christmas, they all had smiles, were positive and motivated. This positive Christmas spirit was also noticed and commented on by their passengers.

I was thinking how does Flops management expect to keep a motivated, positive and friendly work force when we all are upset knowing we don't make the $900 extra for Holiday pay that Net Jets does for being away for yet another Holiday from their family's. Having the company acknowledge the fact that we are making a sacrifice from being away from our family's on a Holiday by paying us something extra would help take the sting out of it. Doing that, in turn would allow us to all have an attitude that would attract potential customers. I hope with our new management they will understand this.

 

[jetwash]

I hope with our new management they will understand this.

NO they won't

 

[fischman]

You are right, there is a lot of emotion in this fight. I came into it late, paying my dues all along but not really "on the program". After the latest rump stuffing I took over this past year and getting a cold sholder form management when a tried to talk to them about it I got major league pissed and started asking about what was going on with negotiations and when we would have a contract. Some of our union leaders helped me to understand what needed to happen for us to be successful in our quest for a contract. I have committed myself to doing what ever I have to to make sure that management knows that they will lose this fight and to persuade them to learn it now rather then later. When I see guys like skanza that still have no clue, running his Internet trap, it gets me a little hot under the collar.:angryfire

BELEIVE ME. I understand.

Remain professional. Do the job TO THE LETTER. Fly safe. Provide excellence in customer service.

You must remind FLOPS why you are worth the money you want, why you are worth the schedule you want, why you are worth the respect you want. EVERY DAY.

Ice in the veins brothers. It is just business. Have faith in the MEC and E-board. They know what they are doing.

Ice in the veins. It is just business.

Unity Pride Strength