Age 65 Praised by SWA Pilots

[learflyer]

define the "best pilot". goes left around a storm instead of right? reads the usa today instead of WSJ enroute? sets frequencys with the fms and not the RTU? This ain't top gun school. Ain't brain surgery.

 

[nimtz]

ALPA made it a done deal. Still cocky however, we have the most experienced Pilots in the world. Now back to your B55 & C172...this is a major airline forum.

Well it has been a while since the SWA/FO reminded us how much of a jack@ss he can be.

 

[whymeworry?]

I did not support 65.

But that doesn't mean anything now.

Actually, it does. Your contract will now have to be renegotiated to accept these conditions. Are you going to have a say in that?

 

[Midge]

Well it has been a while since the SWA/FO reminded us how much of a jack@ss he can be.

Actually, it hasn't been that long <sigh>.

 

[Black Hawk]

Now back to your B55 & C172...this is a major airline forum.

That posture is one of the reasons few outside the industry care about your career progression.

 

[Deuce130]

Actually, it does. Your contract will now have to be renegotiated to accept these conditions. Are you going to have a say in that?

No, as a matter of fact, he won't have a say in it. He'll have about as much input as he had when SWAPA and ALPA supported this change in the first place. Our union leadership sold us down the river and nothing will be able to alter it. The ONLY union that has any negotiating power to maintain 60 as a retirement age is AA, because they didn't support the rule change. How can we go to the negotiating table and try to barter for something that our union leadership has ALREADY said they don't want?

US: We'd like to keep at age 60 as the normal retirement age.

Company: Your union leadership has already said otherwise. Let's move on.

US: OK.

The only way we're going to see age 60 as the retirement age is if our respective companies see it as more financially viable then letting guys fly to 65. They hold all the cards now, not us.

 

[Dan Roman]

any word on age 60?

posted in wrong spot

 

[flyforfood77777]

I am a lowly regional pilot, but this was not a matter of safety, but simply politics and greed. Seniority is everything, so that is why I don't get too mad when someone senior takes the jumpseat on the last flight. The same goes for retiring at 60, if you still want to fly beyond 60, get a hobby or go 91/netjets if you need the money. The guys/girls who have been doing this for awhile (unlike me) have paid their dues, and lost so much, and no one can plan for how 9/11 affected the industry. However, they took a rule that worked to their benefit, then once they have their seniority, those below them don't get the same benefit. I think there are very convincing arguments for both sides, this is not black and white. I just am disappointed.

 

[BOYCAPTAIN]

ALPA made it a done deal. Still cocky however, we have the most experienced Pilots in the world. Now back to your B55 & C172...this is a major airline forum.

keep dreaming....still not a captain yet?

 

[BOYCAPTAIN]

ALPA made it a done deal. Still cocky however, we have the most experienced Pilots in the world. Now back to your B55 & C172...this is a major airline forum.

i hope you mean in the LCC world!...those visuals into PHX are tough...let me know when u shoot the VOR into Subic , fly the lights off arrival into afghanistan, land in the fog in almaty or fly the L888 out of China! stop it already...

 

[Benhuntn]

Luvn life in the right seat and will for an extra 5 yrs. It's all good though as I make more now than I ever did in the AF. I have no responsibility and I get half the landings. I sleep 12 hrs a day on the road so my 3 days are only a day and a half. Life is GOOD! By the way, age 65 only delayed me 1 yr to captain the other 4 yrs of delay will be caused by the slowing of growth. Life is short live it to the fullest and don't look back.

 

[GuppyWN]

Right there's a guy that has his life in order that has the big picture.

Gup

 

[bluestreaking]

Luvn life in the right seat and will for an extra 5 yrs. It's all good though as I make more now than I ever did in the AF. I have no responsibility and I get half the landings. I sleep 12 hrs a day on the road so my 3 days are only a day and a half. Life is GOOD! By the way, age 65 only delayed me 1 yr to captain the other 4 yrs of delay will be caused by the slowing of growth. Life is short live it to the fullest and don't look back.

Dude, are you kidding me? FO's across the country just got hung-out to dry, and you don't care? What's worse, my own union (SWAPA), led the charge!

 

[bluestreaking]

Right there's a guy that has his life in order that has the big picture.

Gup

"Ignorance is bliss."

 

[Nado]

"i hope you mean in the LCC world!...those visuals into PHX are tough...let me know when u shoot the VOR into Subic , fly the lights off arrival into afghanistan, land in the fog in almaty or fly the L888 out of China! stop it already..."

Kind of like those visuals into TLH or MEM with a little crosswind. FEDEX has had how many hull losses in the last five years inside the marker? Better thank your stars those are boxes burning, not people, otherwise there might have been a little more scrutiny.