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believe me not all SWA pilots supported this.......
 
Thats great I hope we dont have more Chicagos etc. Im not just talking about SW either!!!
 
Thanks jack@sses! BTW, if we did this to keep with international standards lets see some of you fat @sses pass the ICAO medical!
 
nimtz said:
Thanks jack@sses! BTW, if we did this to keep with international standards lets see some of you fat @sses pass the ICAO medical!
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There is no "ICAO" medical. ICAO is the organization that negotiates treaties between different countries. So that a medical issued in England is recognized by Germany....a medical issued in the USA is recognized by Russia....a medical issued in Cuba is recognized in Canada, and so on. All that is negotiated by the ICAO

Get it, now? Sheesh...now I know why the vote was 390-nada in the House.
 
Tejas-Jet said:
There is no "ICAO" medical. ICAO is the organization that negotiates treaties between different countries. So that a medical issued in England is recognized by Germany....a medical issued in the USA is recognized by Russia....a medical issued in Cuba is recognized in Canada, and so on. All that is negotiated by the ICAO

Get it, now? Sheesh...now I know why the vote was 390-nada in the House.
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Okay d-bag, to get nice and specific for you we will call it the JAA physical. Btw, that's the physical guys in the EU are working past 65 with, not anything the FAA does. And after taking one of these physicals, I can tell you there is no comparison to our 5 minute ear/eye prod and cut the check system.

God forbid when we look into working longer years, we also consider adopting tighter medical standards in the US. But no the APAAD guys said it would be unfair to go there. Have your cake and eat it you fat @sses! Enjoy 5 legs a day with the old farts and the five additional years of working they've forced you to take...
 
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I promised myself to keep out of this, but I have to say one thing.

This is for, well you know who you are.

I have little doubt why there wasn't an effective campaign to combat this change. Your narcissistic behavior and gangsta like approach/reaction has reaped exactly what many of you have sown.

I now have 20 years to retire but I will punch out in only a couple. I'm happy for those that need/want to fly for a few more.

My message to you who are just fanatically crazy mad about this change. You had your chance, we don't always get what you want. Just remember, there isn't one late 50 something that wouldn't exchange even 10 years of your youth and be happy to even sit in the right seat again.
 
atafan said:
I promised myself to keep out of this, but I have to say one thing.

This is for, well you know who you are.

Just remember, there isn't one late 50 something that wouldn't exchange even 10 years of your youth and be happy to even sit in the right seat again.
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Then let them sit in the right seat again. I guarantee that most of them made it to the left seat a hell of a lot sooner than any of us will, and with double the pay that we will recieve.

I guess what we should all learn from this is, don't be careless with your finances.
 
atafan said:
I have little doubt why there wasn't an effective campaign to combat this change.
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It wasn't effective because the rule, put in place because of safety reasons, was not opposed of the grounds of safety. Over the next few years union contracts will adjust to the change. A FO at a major airline already makes pretty good money. It was a hard sell to convince legislators that they deserved to make more as a reason to keep the now antiquated age 60 rule in place. That arugument was given little consideration.
 
Black Hawk said:
It wasn't effective because the rule, put in place because of safety reasons, was not opposed of the grounds of safety. Over the next few years union contracts will adjust to the change. A FO at a major airline already makes pretty good money. It was a hard sell to convince legislators that they deserved to make more as a reason to keep the now antiquated age 60 rule in place. That arugument was given little consideration.
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The rule wasn't originally put in place for safety reasons, that was just how they sold it. It was originally put in place for labor reasons, specifically at AA.
 
Yo Dudes! The voter turnout on Age 60 was about 60%. Of that 60% that voted only 58% voted to reform the age.

This is classic SWA. The silent majority is silent because the train rolles steadily down the tracks without so much as a speedbump. Life is good. Hell, this doesn't affect "ME" because we are a growth airline.

Fast forward 3 years. 5 new jets next year and no retirements. How's that for not affecting your growth?

Whatever seat/spot/seniority you're at get used to it. You're gonna feel like a legacy pilot by spring.

Vocal minority NO voter,
Gup
 
Experience counts...f*ck you. So does vision, hearing, cognitive skills, coordination, stamina, mental acuity and adaptability. All suffer greatly beyond 60. Get a f*cking life. You want 35 years of 6 legs a day? Fly till you die losers.
 
Tejas-Jet said:
Uhhhh....I believe the last vote tally was 55%-45%...and (as usual) there was a low voter turnout.
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You're right, the participation was unforgivably low on the FO side.

I know when the vote was going on, I had 2 Captains (both 4 digit guys BTW) tell me they expected low FO voting "since probationary FOs can't vote anyway, and we have so many new guys."

Whether they were genuinely under that impression, or there was a misinformation campaign going on, who knows. Those FO's who didn't vote for whatever reason have to live with it.
 
Exactly, age 65 is so unfair!!!!!

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haven't you heard- 65 is the new 50. the job just isn't that hard.
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Age 65 is unfair, age discrimination. I'm writing my congressman now demanding that USA take the leadership in working until you die by allowing pilots to work to 70. Hell, think of the nearly 50 years of piloting experience that will be kept in the cockpit.
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CF34-3B1 said:
The rule wasn't originally put in place for safety reasons, that was just how they sold it. It was originally put in place for labor reasons, specifically at AA.
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Even if that's true the current crop in the Congress, Senate our President don't really care about some pilot's upgrade time. Bad timing for people trying to use safety rules for career progression. Even so I just don't think it's going to be all that bad. Some will come out a little better and some will come out a little worse. It's just not going to be that bad.
 
I Was Amazed At How Many Fo's Here That Did Vote For A Change In The Law. But I Believe It Would Not Have Changed Or Been Brought Up To A Vote In The Congress So Fast, Had It Not Been For Alpa's Aburpt 180 In Deciding To Support The Change.I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD IDEA THAT AT SIXTY THEY MOVED BACK TO THE RIGHT SEAT
 
Thanks a lot SWA dudes!!!!!!! You guys are so cocky and now you will wait longer to upgrade. Feel good about that?
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ALPA made it a done deal. Still cocky however, we have the most experienced Pilots in the world. Now back to your B55 & C172...this is a major airline forum.
 
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ALPA made it a done deal. Still cocky however, we have the most experienced Pilots in the world. Now back to your B55 & C172...this is a major airline forum.
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Oh no you don't, USAirways east does, just ask them. Sorry, couldn't resist. SWA guys rank right up there with the best of em, no doubt about it.
 
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