Who will win: EMB190 or CRJ1000

[CitationLover]

Your flying a 717 which means you are flying at either Airtran or Midwest, which does not put you very far from being a regional. Your a National/LLC like my so called regional. I respect your opinion and I can certainly understand your opinion, however the airline industry is changing and the legacy carriers make far more money on international flying than they do domestic. That seems to be the way the industry is heading. Which opens the door for airlines like yours to pick up the domestic flying the legacy's are leaving behind!! so in reality it's good for you!!

well we are the #1 domestic airline, glorified regional or not.

 

[CitationLover]

Go back and read my posts from the past few years. Even when I was flying them, I thought it was ridiculous that they had been outsourced to us. I simply did the flying that the mainline pilots had stupidly allowed to be outsourced, just as all of the current regional pilots are. I think you'll find that there are plenty of 50-seat drivers out there that feel the same way as me about this: all jet flying should be done by mainline carriers.

follow your signature and get a metal beanie to deflect the waves. what makes a "jet" so special to you?

the arrogance of the "majors" coupled with the whorishness of the "regionals" led to the RJ mess.

 

[Wiggums]

Just proof that some people cannot see the picture past their own nose. If you are flying a regional jet you should realize that you are doing the job a major airline pilot did before Delta pilots relaxed their scope back in the 1990s. If that had not happened then there would be more flying at the majors and your career prospects would be better.

 

[PCL_128]

Just proof that some people cannot see the picture past their own nose. If you are flying a regional jet you should realize that you are doing the job a major airline pilot did before Delta pilots relaxed their scope back in the 1990s. If that had not happened then there would be more flying at the majors and your career prospects would be better.

At least somebody gets it.

 

[Axel]

Q: ERJ 190/CRJ1000...Who will win?

A: Bryan Bedford

 

[CitationLover]

Q: ERJ 190/CRJ1000...Who will win?

A: Bryan Bedford

he loves jesus! i am sure joel osteen is telling him they will be his if he just prays more........

 

[Future Furlough]

Please don't tell us that you think Airtran is mainline???
It is a glorified regional and that's it. You flew an crj then when you get hired at your glorified regional you say regionals shouldn't fly jets???WTF

You kind of missed his point. It's not where you fly that makes you a regional, it's who decides where to fly. AirTran may not fly internationally, but management and marketing determine the destinations. I fly internationally, but it is mainline that decides those destinations, not my management or marketing (the latter of which does not even exist at a regional airline). So yes, AirTran is mainline because no one else controlls their flying. And yes, I am a regional pilot who wishes mainline had never farmed out nearly 50% of their flying, be it on a jet or not.

 

[Airline Driver]

well we are the #1 domestic airline, glorified regional or not.

According to who's statistics??..............

 

[CitationLover]

According to who's statistics??..............

you name the award (these are a little out of date)

Awards

• Travel+Leisure magazine recognized Midwest Airlines as Best Domestic Airline in 2004, 2003 and 2002 - a total of five times in eight years.
• OAG, publishers of the Official Airline Guide, named Midwest Airlines Best Airline based in North America in 2003 and Best Economy/Coach Class Airline in 2002.
• Condé Nast Traveler Business Travel Awards rated Midwest Airlines #1 Domestic Airline in its class in 2003 and 2002.
• The prestigious Zagat Airline Survey rated Midwest Airlines the #1 Domestic Airline in its last four surveys.

heck we even brag about the award winning Recaro seats our 717's feature.

 

[bailey3083]

J.O. and Mesa as he is now offering the Legacy carriers that he will pay them for the right to fly them under a new program where his pilots pay him $2k a month so they can fly a shiny new 90 seat jet!

 

[PCL_128]

You kind of missed his point. It's not where you fly that makes you a regional, it's who decides where to fly. AirTran may not fly internationally, but management and marketing determine the destinations. I fly internationally, but it is mainline that decides those destinations, not my management or marketing (the latter of which does not even exist at a regional airline). So yes, AirTran is mainline because no one else controlls their flying. And yes, I am a regional pilot who wishes mainline had never farmed out nearly 50% of their flying, be it on a jet or not.

Well said.

 

[landlover]

who would win in a fight? a grilled cheese or a taco?

 

[Airline Driver]

And you're cheering it along. Ridiculous. I always get a good laugh out of statements like this. Look at the side of your airplane. What name is there and what livery is it painted in? Is it the name of your regional airline? Didn't think so. You don't work for an airline. You work for a contractor. You fly someone else's code, be it DL, or CO, or UA, or whatever, but certainly not your own. Comparing your company to airlines like AAI, Frontier, or JetBlue is absurd.

Your union reps can't bargain much for you if mainline flying keeps getting outsourced and more and more RFPs are issued for that flying. You don't seem to understand just how bad the situation is. When you don't fly your own flying, you are dependent on someone else to give you their flying. That means that they can put all kinds of stipulations on it, such as "nothing higher than industry-average pay rates." You don't fit the stipulations? Then someone who's a lower bidder will get that RFP. Then your management will come to you demanding concessions so you can get awarded the next RFP. If you don't agree? They'll just take you into bankruptcy to void your contract and force the concessions out of you to get that next RFP.

You seem to be very naive about how this process is working now. You should be in favor of keeping as much flying as possible at the mainline level so you still have a decent career to look forward to.

And by the way, I do love to fly, but I do this job primarily for the money. That's why it's called a job.

I am curious to know where you got the CL-65 rating from? Which Regional did you work for prior to your current company? I am cheering Management along you say, HMMMMMMMM No, I am just stating facts, it is what it is and it's just business. Pilots can be just as greedy a management. Hence why regionals keep flying bigger and bigger jets. Mainline pilots keep turning down flying because they are too good to fly a smaller jet. Yes Money has allot to do with that but
if it means loosing my Job at Delta, or whom ever,for flying an 190/195 for a little less money then I would gladly take the pay cut to stay at Delta then start all over somewhere else.

Union Reps can't bargain for us, sure they can it takes time and allot of aggravation but that's the world of negotiation.

I don't fly for an airline, We may not have our own "Brand" name "Yet" but, last time I checked I sign a release, fly under 121 regs and do the same job you do just a different airplane. Seems to be an airline to me.

Naive about how the process is working you say. You can't accept the fact that the industry is changing and will be for quite sometime. Your living in the past and this is the future. The facts are the facts and you can't change them. Forgive me for being a realist but these are the facts. You came from a regional and are now flying for your own Brand and that's great if that is your wish.

I sincerely hope you guys get bigger and pick up some slack where the legacy carriers are lacking. In my opinion we need some fresh blood in the industry. Before all this is done there will be 1 or 2 less legacy carriers flying the sky's. It's all cyclical just any other business. Industries change, and ours happens to be changing.

 

[Tarzan]

who would win in a fight? a grilled cheese or a taco?

Well, the taco is a little more saucy so I'll have to take that side.

You may now return to regularly scheduled, showering piss upon one another.

 

[CFI2766]

I sincerely hope you guys get bigger and pick up some slack where the legacy carriers are lacking. In my opinion we need some fresh blood in the industry. Before all this is done there will be 1 or 2 less legacy carriers flying the sky's. It's all cyclical just any other business. Industries change, and ours happens to be changing.[/quote]


I was kinda with you until this gibberish. We, as pilots, sure as he!! do not need some 'fresh blood' in the industry. Would you rather fly for Delta's pay scale, or Virgin's?

I suspect that PCL128 was mighty thankful for his RJ job while he was building the hours necessary to get to where he is at now. That's allright; it's what we have to do.

That being said, it sure does seem like PCL128 has his and wants to close the door behind him.

Forgot to add: Resuming Golden Shower....