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AMANSWORLD you are a d0uche BAG! I would piss on you if I was your FO!
 
socrates1 said:
No I'm not. If the FO strongly objected to this action, which I hope they would, then something else needs to be done to stop such ridiculous behavior. Pro standards might be a good place to start, but a RIF is not out the question either.
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I have no idea what a "RIF" is, but I assume it's some sort of report that goes to management. If that's the case, then yes, it is out of the question. If the Captain does something that bothers you, then tell him so. If he doesn't care, then go to Pro Standards and let them handle it. What's wrong with this new batch of pilots entering the regionals that thinks it's entirely ok to rat their fellow pilots out to management? Management has no place in solving disputes between pilots. We need to handle that ourselves. Don't be a rat!!!
 
Wtf?

Got a working lav? USE IT.
Why the hell anyone would whip it out and pee right in front of a coworker is disgusting and beyond me. Especially disturbing if you didn't really have to go there.

I'm sure that you can leave us *lowly* FOs alone for a couple of minutes to take care of business. Promise I won't finish your Sudoku or eat your bran & protein bar. :)

-FW
 
socrates1 said:
I have had three different FO's at ASA tell me they have had a CA pee in a H2O bottle instead of using the LAV in flight. I told each of them they should write that CA up. You have LAV on board. It's not a Be 1900. Has anyone else experienced this? That type of behavior should not be accepted! "Shame" on them.
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Absolutely ! Those F/Os were correct to be concerned. What if the Capt axtidentally peed on their back pack or their Ipod!
 
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socrates1 said:
No I'm not. If the FO strongly objected to this action, which I hope they would, then something else needs to be done to stop such ridiculous behavior. Pro standards might be a good place to start, but a RIF is not out the question either.
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It should never go past ProStan. If a pilot wants to hang themselves in front of Professional Standards, so be it. But we sure as crap shouldn't be dumping on each other, especially over something as stupid as this. For all you new FOs, go to ProStan first.
 
I have had three different FO's at ASA tell me they have had a CA pee in a H2O bottle instead of using the LAV in flight. I told each of them they should write that CA up. You have LAV on board. It's not a Be 1900. Has anyone else experienced this? That type of behavior should not be accepted! "Shame" on them.
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A male Captain did that with a female F.O. sitting upfront with him and she filed a lawsuit against him and the company. Guess what....she lost and quit and went to Comair. Now if ALPA was at Skywest, do you think there may of been a different outcome for her?
 
Taking a piss in the cockpit is no different than someone getting up from his desk at work and pissing into his coffee mug in front of his co-workers because he is too lazy to walk to the men's room.

Even construction workers have port-a-potties to use even though they work outside.

Some of you wonder why you get treated and paid the way you do...
 
Quack said:
Hey there's a certain somebody at PDT that took a shiat in the cockpit, no joke. so no more pissing and moaning!
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Are you refering to the BGM based Penn 1900 CA from years ago who is still there or is this a pure PDT guy your talking about? pre or post merger?
 
PCL_128 said:
If the Captain does something that bothers you, then tell him so. If he doesn't care, then go to Pro Standards and let them handle it. What's wrong with this new batch of pilots entering the regionals that thinks it's entirely ok to rat their fellow pilots out to management? Management has no place in solving disputes between pilots. We need to handle that ourselves. Don't be a rat!!!
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ditto - not only does this go for FO to CA it goes for CA to FO, FO to FO, CA to CA, FA to CA/FO or whatever type of worker/co-worker combo you can come up with.
 
AMANSWORLD said:
FO justs need to STFU and do his job. Seriously, this guy must be wanting to be in management. He would last less than 2 minutes on my flight deck. I am previous ASA and the guys that were there when I was there are good guys (and gals). This is what ASA gets for hiring a$$holes to fill seats. Good Luck.
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I'm sure the FO would be happy to be relieved of duty after only two minutes with you.
 
The_Russian said:
"Sensitive New Age Pilots" have no place in this business.
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Neither do macho "smarter than the book" pilots who would willingly give themselves a compounded emergency by shutting down a perfectly good engine before making an emergency landing...
 
PCL_128 said:
If the Captain does something that bothers you, then tell him so. If he doesn't care, then go to Pro Standards and let them handle it.
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Flying off profile is one thing....whipping it out and taking a piss IN YOUR OFFICE when there is a perfectly good lavatory at your disposal and after concerns have been voiced is another thing entirely.

Cockpits are filthy enough as it is without adding urine (or worse) to the mix...not to mention common FREAKING sense and courtesy to your colleagues.
 
Write them up? Are you serious, you are a POS.
 
socrates1 said:
When I have to go in flight, I know it would take MANY of those little 8 oz bottles.
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Yeah I would need one of those 32 ouncce gatoraide bottle. You know...need a big hole ;)

Oh yeah, and write them up? Stop being such a puss** and man up will ya. Is that what you did in the locker room when you played sports? Run to coach and tell on everyone that was walking around showing their wee wees? Oh that's right, you didnt play sport. Sorry, dont know what I was thinking. :beer:
 
Stifler's Mom said:
In another thread I mentioned a Capt. using the forward baggage compartment to squirt into a bottle. The only thing that was nasty, was him throwing the bottles into the garbage bag which was hanging on my arm rest. Never thought about turning a guy in for that. Geez.

Beides, this guy retired a year or so ago anyways.

You talking about Gerald?
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The_Russian said:
Maybe the Captain did not feel comfortable leaving the FO alone on the Flight Deck to handle emergencies and abnormals should they occur.
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Is this what happens to you?
 
Quack said:
Hey there's a certain somebody at PDT that took a shiat in the cockpit, no joke. so no more pissing and moaning!
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I heard it was a health related issue. If the guy was really sick ,I think you could cut him some slack.
 
T-prop said:
I hear Great Lakes has quite a few "I sh!t my pants then" stories. One involves a bad tuna sandwich and an hour flight that didn't quite get there soon enough...

But at least they have an excuse for making a mess.
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Screaming at the pax in 1A to surrender their sick sack, cutting loose explosively behind the saloon doors, tucking one's pants into their shoes resulting in the legendary inrange call - "Do you guys have any ramper pants?" The joys of no lav.

I personally have ran to the back, popped the bulkhead flap and leapt into Aft baggage to use the patented "E-Kit:" a hotel laundry bag placed inside the spare tire.
 
BoilerUP said:
Flying off profile is one thing....whipping it out and taking a piss IN YOUR OFFICE when there is a perfectly good lavatory at your disposal and after concerns have been voiced is another thing entirely.
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Flying off profile isn't the only thing that ProStands is for. In fact, that's the least of ProStands' concerns. There is no problem so big that ProStands should be skipped and going to management directly is ok. If you take something to ProStands and they determine that the issue is too big for them (imminent safety concerns, for example) then they will make the call about whether the issue should be handled by management or someone else. Individual pilots should not be making the decision to rat each other out. And I agree with LearLove; this applies with disputes between other employees also (FAs, CSRs, etc...). Management is not your friend, and they don't belong in dispute resolutions between employees.
 
With a lav on board?? WTF?

FO or CA, write him up? No. Grab the bottle and dump it over his f(*king head then proceed to beat the sh!t out of him with said bottle, yes. What a complete tool.
 
PCL_128 said:
There is no problem so big that ProStands should be skipped and going to management directly is ok.
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What about rape?

I know pissing in the cockpit isn't rape, but if someone decides it's cool to piss in the cockpit while I'm there the company is going to get involved because I'm going to have to explain to someone why I'm not continuing the trip.

Pro Standards is great, but pissing in the cockpit (non-emergency) is so far beyond acceptable behavior it's not funny. If for some reason it went to Pro Standards first (i.e. it happened on the last leg of the trip), I would hope the committee would take a course of action to make sure it never happens again.
 
Take a pic, as 99% of cell phones have camera phones, and email it to the chief pilot, just prior to XMAS, and say "Tis the season!!"

haha

All joking aside, the guy should have used the lav. If he is "that" afraid of letting the FO with the FA up in the cockpit, a) he should have denied the trip with the fo and b) not be flying for the airlines. We have senior FO's and Captains, and we have "new" FO's and Captains. That's how the job goes, he should know this.
 
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DrewBlows said:
What about rape?
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Rape is a criminal issue. But since you mention it, ProStands would simply tell you to report it to the proper authorities because it is outside of their bounds. Management still should have no involvement however. If I know that someone has been raped, then I'll be calling the police. Management wouldn't even enter the picture.
I know pissing in the cockpit isn't rape, but if someone decides it's cool to piss in the cockpit while I'm there the company is going to get involved because I'm going to have to explain to someone why I'm not continuing the trip.
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Is this really that frickin' difficult, people? Just tell the guy that you're not comfortable with him pissing in the cockpit. If he doesn't care, then tell him that you won't be able to continue the trip if he won't stop it. He'll get in line then. Do so many regional pilots really have this much of a problem with interpersonal issues that they can't solve them between themselves? I have never even considered going to management to complain about anyone, and I can't imagine the thought ever crossing my mind. Management is not my friend. I can handle issues with my fellow employees on my own, or I can seek the assistance of Pro Standards if it's a bigger issue. Pretty simple. :rolleyes:
 

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