Colgan and Skywest pilots that voted no

[thebest]

It not about me... it is about all of us....

If we don't help all pilots UP we will all go down....

But how do you help someone who won't help themselves....

You guys are pi$$ed becuase SKYW said no to alpo? That is the reason everything is going poorly for the rest....I don't think so, try another excuse.

 

[Hanger 10]

Skywest and Colgan will be begging for ALPA when growth is done and MGMT starts tighen the skrews! We all know the model!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Some people are just ignorant. If SKW was using the fact that they dont have a union to undercut other carriers and take their flying, or whipsawing a pilot group then I could understand people being upset, but they dont. SO WHO CARES!!

You guys are pi$$ed becuase SKYW said no to alpo? That is the reason everything is going poorly for the rest....I don't think so, try another excuse.

Let me explain it to you too...

Because Air Line Pilots are not regulatory. So when we need to effect change we have to have unity and strength in numbers.... its called consensus...

If one pilot called his Congressman and said we have to change fatigue policy, he will be asked who are you? The pilot can reply.. We are air line pilots... And he will be asked who is we? The pilot can only reply.. We is me.

However, if you have the President of a professional organization got to Congress and say I represent 60,000 airline pilots.... you will get the attention of the Law makers..

Now, if you really want to get things done ALPA needs to be able to go to Congress and say..we represent ALL airline pilots.




All management has to do is come up with some unsafe scheme at SKYW and ALPA has to spend time and energy to fix it...

Take it to the Int'l level.... ALPA is the only pilot respresntative at ICAO. The APA, IPA, NPA, SWAPA and others are not represented. If two pilot groups were represented it would only create confusion...

All while big changes are going on internationally that will effect all of us.... guess who gets to have a say.




Guys...this isn't difficult to figure out.... except if you have 'me me me' glasses on....

You missed the boat....

 

[Formula 1]

Formula -

I've upgraded. I make over six figures with Skywest and voteing no was a no brainer.

It is obvious that you can't spell "voting" and "brainier". I would submit that you can't add either. Six figures? Yeah right. I was there for eight years and did not make six figures as a jet captain. It's is also clear you don't have a credible college degree either. So enjoy your long life career at SkyWest (thats the proper way to spell it). Because I'll make sure you don't work here.

 

[10nCLR]

I still dont get it, they voted no. We dont work there, why should we care? They are not undercutting anyone, WHO CARES?

So very true, why is everybody wasting their breath bashing each other over why SkyWest needs a union or not, who cares.........

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[merlindrvr88]

Just a question

Let me explain it to you too...

Because Air Line Pilots are not regulatory. So when we need to effect change we have to have unity and strength in numbers.... its called consensus...

If one pilot called his Congressman and said we have to change fatigue policy, he will be asked who are you? The pilot can reply.. We are air line pilots... And he will be asked who is we? The pilot can only reply.. We is me.

However, if you have the President of a professional organization got to Congress and say I represent 60,000 airline pilots.... you will get the attention of the Law makers..

Now, if you really want to get things done ALPA needs to be able to go to Congress and say..we represent ALL airline pilots.




All management has to do is come up with some unsafe scheme at SKYW and ALPA has to spend time and energy to fix it...

Take it to the Int'l level.... ALPA is the only pilot respresntative at ICAO. The APA, IPA, NPA, SWAPA and others are not represented. If two pilot groups were represented it would only create confusion...

All while big changes are going on internationally that will effect all of us.... guess who gets to have a say.




Guys...this isn't difficult to figure out.... except if you have 'me me me' glasses on....

You missed the boat....

I don't care if Skywest is unionized and neither should you. It doesn't affect you, your beef is with ALPO. Do you know how long ALPO has been fighting the rest and fatigue issue. 20+ years. Obviously they do not know how to get the job done. Look at all the other issues they are fighting, and tell me how long they have been working at them. It is a very weak union, and is self-serving. I am glad ALPO was in Vancouver working out some rest and fatigue issues for pilots. Why Vancouver? They could not meet at a Holiday Inn in the States? Sounds like a vacation, sounds like ALPO. And that is why nobody cares about our union. Pilots and congressman.

 

[PCL_128]

If you want anyone to listen to you and have an honest debate, then you might want to stop with tired old "ALPO" misspelling bullsh&^. At least be original. You just sound like a d0uche.

 

[yellowfever]

How is not having a union spineless and how is it pulling down the industry? This downward spiral is occurring with or without unions. Unions allowed scope to be breeched and unions can't protect against bankruptcy. So why should we have voted in a union when our management really ain't that bad? I am proud of my no vote and my company. It is funny how pissed you are that we didn't vote it in. You think it is because the young pilots don't want to threaten their upgrade. When, think for a sec. You wouldn't be worried about that if you didn't know that it could affect it. That is a good thing? Besides it wasn't just the young guys who didn't want it in. It was a mix of everyone. It is because we don't want what we think they can offer us. Plain and simple.

How is voting to fly 70 seat jets for 50 seat rates (for growth) not contributing to the downward spiral?

 

[BigLebowski]

Skywest pilots benefit from union negotiated contracts and other benefits without contributing to the cause. You think they would have those pay and work rules if management wasn't just trying to keep them from getting a union on board? All of the things in their "employee handbook" are things that were copied from union negotiated contracts. If it weren't for unions, then Skywest pilots would be paid far less and treated much worse. Some of us are tired of them freeloading off of us. It's about time that they joined in the fight and contributed to the cause.

wow dude you are seriously chugging that kool-aid. Can I ask you this...did you believe everything the army recruiter told you in high school?

 

[7dustfan]

It is obvious that you can't spell "voting" and "brainier". I would submit that you can't add either. Six figures? Yeah right. I was there for eight years and did not make six figures as a jet captain. It's is also clear you don't have a credible college degree either. So enjoy your long life career at SkyWest (thats the proper way to spell it). Because I'll make sure you don't work here.

"brainier"? You might want to check that again, bro!! And on 4th year Captain Pay at SKYW, there are hard working pilots that make 6 figures.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

"brainier"? You might want to check that again, bro!! And on 4th year Captain Pay at SKYW, there are hard working pilots that make 6 figures.

Wow...working 6 on, 1 off sounds great!

 

[RedGuy]

Becuase you have no objective safety structure in place. No one to tell the company...' no, that is unsafe...we don't operate jets like that..'

Becuase you no have no code of ethics... A profession requires it.

Because your payrates are based on union contracts.

The FAA is there to say, that's unsafe, and provide rules that give an airline structure. Not a union.

YOUR pay rates may be based on union contracts. But in the real world we call it capitalism, the employer will pay competitive wages or they won't be able to find employee's.

Believe it or not but there's alot of people out there in the world that aren't in a union and live just as good or in many cases a better life style than their union brethren.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The FAA is there to say, that's unsafe, and provide rules that give an airline structure. Not a union.

Good luck with that!

YOUR pay rates may be based on union contracts. But in the real world we call it capitalism, the employer will pay competitive wages or they won't be able to find employee's.

Good luck with that..

Believe it or not but there's alot of people out there in the world that aren't in a union and live just as good or in many cases a better life style than their union brethren.

Why do we work 40 hour work weeks and two day weekends? Where did that come from..?

 

[Tank Commander]

Apathy. How Meany voted out of the pilot groups?

 

[BigLebowski]

"brainier"? You might want to check that again, bro!! And on 4th year Captain Pay at SKYW, there are hard working pilots that make 6 figures.

I'll second this. I personally know quiet a few here that do.