Anyone know what a senior major CA earned in 1977?

[regionaltard]

I don't disagree. And I know I'm preaching to the faithful, but unless Labor has the ability to withhold its labor, we'll nearly always be out-lawyered.

My only point was that things, post de-regulation, would look a lot different if it weren't for the RLA, IMHO.

Oh, no doubt. Still, that doesn't change the fact that we've been outplayed in every facet of the game for about 10 years now.

 

[RJAA]

Dumb Pilot;

It is off topic, but speaking from my experience of living in Japan for 20 years, I would never describe Japan's highway system to be efficient and hassle free!! not to mention you will be paying out money that folds in several toll gates only to get stuck in gridlock trying to get in the city. Where is the HOV lane for buses? There aren't any!! I have driven. What about parking?? What if you miss an exit? You are screwed! I cannot imagine anyone who would like to endure the drive from the city to NRT, then pilot a B747 on a long haul. Trains are great everywhere, but NRT is in the sticks, I have never met a brave soul who has ever thought of commuting on the train or car from the city on a regular basis. It's insane. Not to mention the cost of it.

Japan IS expensive, next time, you should see how much 100 dollars would last in the city. Check out the price of a small cup of coffee, or a small glass of national beer, a night of a good hotel room in and around the city. Anyway, good day and back to the original topic.

 

[Ty Webb]

In 1986 a UAL 767 CA made around $14K a month.

 

[Quack]

http://www.landings.com/_landings/stories/captainicarus.html

i'm not sure if this has been posted already, but intriguing arcticle

 

[Palomino]

http://www.landings.com/_landings/stories/captainicarus.html

i'm not sure if this has been posted already, but intriguing arcticle

ok...it's one thing to not do a search.

it's another thing to miss the dupe post within the same 2 page thread.

this place never ceases to amaze me. i find the humor - i have to.

 

[Quack]

awww crap nevermind...delete

 

[IronCityBlue]

I don't disagree. And I know I'm preaching to the faithful, but unless Labor has the ability to withhold its labor, we'll nearly always be out-lawyered.

My only point was that things, post de-regulation, would look a lot different if it weren't for the RLA, IMHO.

UAL brought management to its knees not that long ago (summer of love) without a strike, and they did it 100% by the book legal. No PEB or management threat could stop them. The RLA sucks but there are other means available, and in many cases more effective.

 

[hoover]

UAL brought management to its knees not that long ago (summer of love) without a strike, and they did it 100% by the book legal. No PEB or management threat could stop them. The RLA sucks but there are other means available, and in many cases more effective.

And three years later they gave it all back and more. Market forces can't be ignored.

 

[HAL]

I can't tell you for sure about 1977, but my father retired from United in 1973, a senior Capt. on the 747, and was making around $50K. In 1975 or '76 I saw a paper that showed them making $66K per year, so I think the $125K figure for '77 is a little inflated. But as PCL 128 said, the E & FA department at ALPA would be your best bet for the exact info.

HAL

 

[Hobiehawker]

I am almost certain that an A scale MD-80 Captain at AA earned $140,000 a year in 1993.

 

[Jrzflyer]

I recall a few years ago watching "catch me if you can" the salary for the first officer at Pan Am at the time was more... significantly more... than I was making some 32 years later at a major airline... I was asked to vote for yet another concessionary TA at the time so that we could be competitive and excel against our rivals.. the kool aid was cold and it was red and most peoples faces... showed fear and red around the lips.. the TA was voted in.. we never saw those promised rewards as the airline failed... and golden parachutes were given to top execs for running a profitable airline into the ground with the ideas of granduer... I walked away from a 5 year career with 5k in a 401k.. not really enough for a good vacation...
The amount of time invested to become an airline pilot, the amount of stress in training, in challenging flights makes it clear to me that we as an industry are significantly underpaid.. I could go into NYC and answer phones and bring faxes to the appropriate desks...yes I would have to be a hot chick, but I would start at 55k and have medical from day one...
There will always be somebody willing to fly for food.. and it will be a race to the bottom.. I think we have hit the bottom.. I hope that our new Alpa leadership brings us back.. and we take it back.. For all concerned, we as avaition pros need to be paid commenseratly for our skills... otherwise, we will walk away and the safety our our beloved industry will be in peril.. safety, strong work rules, and high compensation are good for all.. management, wall street, ALPA brothers and sisters, and most importantly the safety of the general public... I don't want a plane to end up on my roof some night... and it's come close...
from pilot group to pilot group ... unite, organize (JBLUE) and we will prevail...
80k to start is not a lot of money...
400k to be a Captain is a decent living...and well deserved

 

[regionaltard]

And three years later they gave it all back and more. Market forces can't be ignored.

That's a sword that could cut both ways if pilots were a bit smarter about how markets are made.