50k entry level pay

[FmrFreightDog]

- The two high schools I went to allowed a grace period for one to get there masters. Elementary schools are another story.

Private school perhaps? If not, I'd be very curious as to the specific school district. My wife quit teaching after obtaining a Masters of Education. She works for the State of Georgia at the moment ensuring compliance with "No Child Left Behind (ugh)". She also sits on the NEA's National Board Certification Committee (and with all that still only clears just over 50k a year, by the way). To her knowledge, there is no public school district in the country that requires a Master's Degree of their teachers. Pretty much all districts require a Master's or higher for their administrators and vice-principals, and a Doctorate for their principals, but a Bachelor's Degree is the standard for teachers. As of late, it doesn't even have to be a Bachelors of Education. So, I'm curious.... where exactly did you go to school?

By the way, if your various high schools required a Master's Degree in order for someone to teach there, how catastrophic of a lost cause are you that you still do not know the difference between "their" and "there"? Again, just curious....

 

[mcjohn]

As usual with the darwinists, you haven't answered the man's question. Where did matter come from? If not from God, then how did basic matter itself come into existence to eventually "evolve?"

You are a real peice of work. So NOW these so called Darwinists of yours have a fundamental belief on the origin of matter?

So let me get this straight. Someone can believe god to be the originator of all matter in the universe but an evaluation of the evolution of that matter is nonsense?!

 

[AWACoff]

These holier than thou idiots love to pontificate on how grand they are. Everytime you stump a Jesus Freak, they use the same old lame non-sensical irrational reasoning "Because god said/made/wants/etc. it". I hate flying with these types of people because you never know when they are going to quit flying and "leave it in god's hands". To heeell with that. Why do you persecute us for our beliefs but think it is unacceptable for us to question yours? Learn to think for yourselves for once in your life. Your parents have brainwashed you! You are no different than Muslim extremists who have been raised to kill infidels. And if you don't believe me, I'll declare a jihad on you!

P.S. Gary....? Gary................?

 

[pilotyip]

BS Flag

I have to wave the BS flag. If these are entry level jobs, they represent the extreme upper limit. Michigna is one of the top pay states for teachers in the country. In Oakland county, the wealthiest county in Michigan, starting HS teacher 33K, a little less than the starting pay for a USA Jet DA-20 F/O at age 20 with no college dept.

 

[Raskal]

This is one of the greatest threads ever

 

[10nCLR]

As usual with the darwinists, you haven't answered the man's question. Where did matter come from? If not from God, then how did basic matter itself come into existence to eventually "evolve?"

Just ask Terry-he knows all.................

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Hey PCL,

Do you proselytize over the PA too?

http://atheism.about.com/b/2004/02/18/proselytizing-pilot-speaks.htm

Proselytizing Pilot Speaks

Not long ago I wrote about the American Airlines pilot who announced shortly before his flight took off that non-Christians were "crazy" and suggested that Christian passenger start witnessing to the non-Christians on board. Well, he's spoken out about his actions and reasons...





The Advocate reports on their exclusive interview with American Airlines captain Roger Findiesen:

"I just wanted to give Christians a chance to talk about why they're Christians," he said, standing in the forward galley at the end of the flight as the final passengers departed. "I obviously couldn't go back there and address everyone directly, so I used the P.A. ... I felt that God was telling me to say something." He went on to explain that he felt God wanted him to witness to the passengers on his first flight upon returning to work for American Airlines after his mission. Despite this feeling, he said, he had decided not to say anything--but then he got another sign from God...​

Asked by Advocate.com whether he felt he should also have apologized to his passengers, Findiesen paused. "I felt bad for the flight attendants," he said. As for the passengers, he said that he felt making himself available to talk to them as they deplaned was sufficient. ... While Findiesen repeated to Steele that he was sorry his fellow crew members had taken heat for his comments, he expressed no regret for having made them and no regret for not having apologized to the American Airlines customers he was serving on the flight.​

Findiesen's "sign" was a brake problem that disappeared, allowing the plane to be cleared for take-off. That's a sign? Religious people who are anxious to get a "sign" from their god so that they can do what they already want to do will find exactly the "sign" they want... in just about anything. It doesn't take a lot of imagination to think that your god wants exactly what you already happen to want - especially when you long ago created your god in your own image anyway.

 

[zasca]

Yes, I apologize for the unfortunate typo written at 2 am after a 12 hr day that ended at 1...

No, not private schools, and yes I overstated: 40k was to start at my last school. But starting pay varied based on experience and could be higher than that.

Evolution is not supposed to explain the creation of the universe... It is just one of many processes that affect the natural world. Try not to oversimplify things. Everything doesn't fit into a nice little package that can be understood by novices like ourselves. Obviously science hasn't answered all the questions of the universe; although the universal "theory" is a popular endeavor these days. Theology also has it's many flaws. What can you show me as religious person that would lead me take your argument more seriously than say, a scientologist, or UFO nut? Both have endless numbers of books expounding on their subjects with only hearsay and conjecture as evidence.

Try to be civil people... this the internet ;-P

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Before the advent of science, what could not be readily understood or explained was primarily attributed to a higher being or god. What humans did not understand, they sought and found meaning through the concept of religion and a god.

Along came science debunking much of what religion put forth, through empirical evidence.

Religion basically provides a guideline for those who wish to live their lives within a span of subscribed values and virtues. Each religion sets forth ways to live your life in a particular way so as to make it to heaven or the equivalent.

Religion, penal law and morality all essentially provide similar deterents to a potentially destructive lifestyle.

Humans by nature are animals and have many selfish animal instincts. These psychologically animal-like instincts do not translate well to a human society.

Laws, religion and morality force us to reject or contain our feelings and temptations. Whether it be to murder, harm, steal, covet, etc. - society needed to come up with plausible lines of defense against destructive human desires.

If one "puts the fear of god" in a child, this child will believe that nothing he does goes unnoticed. Hopefully, it will help refrain this child from doing something harmful to himself or others. This works well when they believe that they will be destined for a place called hell in lieu of a paradise. And this will be for ever and ever. So make your time on earth productive and morally right, otherwise you will have a terrible afterlife. Every religion preaches this or something similar.

Laws can be circumvented, morals can be faked, but if their is a god who sees all and keeps a ledger of who did what, it tells us that we must live a life of piety if god will judge us one day.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

As usual with the darwinists, you haven't answered the man's question. Where did matter come from? If not from God, then how did basic matter itself come into existence to eventually "evolve?"

Are you referring to "intelligent design?" If you are than you might find more agreement with your peers than if use a blanket statement such as "evolution never happend."

Evolution is a fact. God gave us brains to figure stuff out. It is ok to use them.

Are you creationist? Do you believe that the world was created in 7 days? Was Noah really 600 years old when God flooded the earth?

Or is it possible that the Old Testament creation stories are allegories for the more important underlying message... The orgins of our monotheistic beliefs.

Just curious where you come down on this, sorry for the thread hijack but I can't resist a good religeous debate.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Before the advent of science, what could not be readily understood or explained was primarily attributed to a higher being or god. What humans did not understand, they sought and found meaning through the concept of religion and a god.

Along came science debunking much of what religion put forth, through empirical evidence.

Religion basically provides a guideline for those who wish to live their lives within a span of subscribed values and virtues. Each religion sets forth ways to live your life in a particular way so as to make it to heaven or the equivalent.

Religion, penal law and morality all essentially provide similar deterents to a potentially destructive lifestyle.

Humans by nature are animals and have many selfish animal instincts. These psychologically animal-like instincts do not translate well to a human society.

Laws, religion and morality force us to reject or contain our feelings and temptations. Whether it be to murder, harm, steal, covet, etc. - society needed to come up with plausible lines of defense against destructive human desires.

If one "puts the fear of god" in a child, this child will believe that nothing he does goes unnoticed. Hopefully, it will help refrain this child from doing something harmful to himself or others. This works well when they believe that they will be destined for a place called hell in lieu of a paradise. And this will be for ever and ever. So make your time on earth productive and morally right, otherwise you will have a terrible afterlife. Every religion preaches this or something similar.

Laws can be circumvented, morals can be faked, but if their is a god who sees all and keeps a ledger of who did what, it tells us that we must live a life of piety if god will judge us one day.

Great post. I am not sure if you and I would agree on theology, but I for one appreciate your well thought out response.

To amplify what you said, I think what a lot of folks who take the Bible literally lack is a sense of context... That is to say that they lack a sense of the audience for him the various accounts were written and the era in which they were put down.

Much of the first five books of the Bible (the Pentatuech) are based on oral traditions going back thousands of years... Back to the first urban societies of Mesopotamia. To take these accounts and ascribe them to modern life with no interpretation or sense of context is just as foolish as telling a "God Believer" that there is no chance whatsoever that God exists. Neither science or religion have a monopoly on the answers, and science and religion are not necessarlily mutually exclusive.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Much of the first five books of the Bible (the Pentatuech) are based on oral traditions going back thousands of years... Back to the first urban societies of Mesopotamia. To take these accounts and ascribe them to modern life with no interpretation or sense of context is just as foolish as telling a "God Believer" that there is no chance whatsoever that God exists. Neither science or religion have a monopoly on the answers, and science and religion are not necessarlily mutually exclusive.

Good point. I meant to include this as well. The bible is a book full of hearsay written thousands of years ago - all derived from prior anecdotes that occured a long time before the good book was even written or documented.

Truth be told, this world full of established religions doesn't welcome new religions. They're looked upon very suspiciously by the two or three dominant ones.

David Koresh could have been the next jesus. Modern society and the government didn't want that. They label "start-up" religions as cults.

Well that's how most religions started years ago. They were all cults to a degree. They all contain mystical beliefs and promises to their belivers.

Scientology is now considered a religion and has tax exempt status just as the catholic church does.

 

[unreal]

As usual with the darwinists, you haven't answered the man's question. Where did matter come from? If not from God, then how did basic matter itself come into existence to eventually "evolve?"

Big bang? Buddha? Flying Spaghetti Monster?

Hell, I dunno. Many people may think they have the answer cold, but in fact nobody really knows how exactly we came into existence. Some people use religion to help explain it, but remember, faith alone is not proof. In order to actually prove something you need empirical evidence, and I have yet to see one creationist give me any.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Religion is power. You can build a strong army and solidarity on the backs of religious believers. The more members the more you can dominate and control. Religion is a tool and a dynamic one at that.

Missionaires attemp to recruit into their religion by canvasing poor or underveloped areas and countries. They seek the vulnerable and prey on the weak.

You might also notice that a majority of the truly religious are poor in contrast to those who have more well-being in life. The lower classes of society tend to be more religous than those of the upper class.

For these souls, religion is almost a last means to make ends meet. When one can't suvive or cope on their own, they need to turn to a higher being who can help guide them towards their destiny. Life is out of thier hands. They can't manage to procure or achieve certain things, so they rely on a god to worship who will bring them such bounty and treasures. They belive that if they pray enough and attend church that all of the things out of thier control will be favored upon them.

Think about it. When you've exhausted all your options and are in dire need of some miracle - you pray.

We all have said a prayer when things were really tough as we had no where else to turn.

Religion is for the weak-minded.

For the record, I was raised catholic and attended sunday school and church for many years as a youth. I was baptized, had communion, took a name, etc. Everything that was required I did, but only because my parents took me church.

See, if they gave me up at birht and I was adpoted by some Hindu couple, I would be Hindu.

Religion is arbitrarily assigned based upon what family brought you into the world.

 

[zasca]

Ha! this has sprawled into a new topic quick. Unfortunately no agitators have chimed in. Most likely because we are all being too reasonable and level headed... Where's that Westboro(?) baptist church when you need them for once? I'd be happy to make 'em martyrs...

I kid, I kid