Airline Flight Instructors not required to have a CFI?

[your_dreamguy]

Can someone explain why the FAA requires a CFI for someone to teach another person to fly a Cessna 152 and why an instructor at an airline is not required to have a CFI? I would think an airline instructor would have a lot more responsibility. Getting my CFI taught me a lot about teaching tools, lesson plans, learning student's personality, etc. Why wouldn't this be a requirement to know for someone teaching at an airline?

 

[lookin4better]

The FARs also say someone can give instruction in relation to their ATP.....not sure on the exact wording.....but I think thats why.

 

[Jurassic Jet]

Can someone explain why the FAA requires a CFI for someone to teach another person to fly a Cessna 152 and why an instructor at an airline is not required to have a CFI? I would think an airline instructor would have a lot more responsibility. Getting my CFI taught me a lot about teaching tools, lesson plans, learning student's personality, etc. Why wouldn't this be a requirement to know for someone teaching at an airline?

Part 121 training programs will still require that the instructors they utilize go through basically the same FOI that you did to get your CFI if they do not hold a CFI certifcate. They just won't end up with the actual certificate.

Once you reach the airline level, you are mostly dealing with people that know how to fly already. (Please note sarcasm in the word mostly ).

 

[ultrarunner]

Can someone explain why the FAA requires a CFI for someone to teach another person to fly a Cessna 152 and why an instructor at an airline is not required to have a CFI?

'Cause at the airlines, you 'aint signing off anyone to solo.

 

[GuppyWN]

Airline instructors teach procedures and systems per the FAA Ops Specs.

CFI's teach wind drift and how to sump gas tanks.

Airline captains teach "techniques" on how to place the dollar bill in her g-string with the left hand so she can see how big our watches are.

Gup

 

[PlaneDrvr]

Its very simple. The FARs allow anyone who holds an 'ATP' to give instruction for that particular rating (the ATP). Additionally, the holder of an ATP can give instruction for any aircraft that he holds a 'rating' on his ATP certificate.

Example: Some who holds an ATP, multi-engine land (no type ratings); can give instruction in a light twin for someone to receive an ATP certificate. And, someone who holds an ATP, mulit-engine land, B-737 type; can give instruction (ground school, simulator, a/c instr.), for an ATP certificate and in a B-737 for a 'type rating' in that aircraft.

Some airlines may require (or prefer) an instructor/check airman to hold (or have previous held) a CFI certificate; however, it is not a FAR requirement, under FAR 61 or FAR 121. An airline's training program requires someone to be FAR 121 qualified and current, to give instruction.

I can look up the exact citation in the FARs, but take my word for it, that is exactly how it reads.

Hope it helps.

DA

 

[Dumb Pilot]

I have been an Instructor under both ICAO and FAA rules, and my CFI certificate expired in 86. Later became a check pilot under ICAO followed by a checkairman letter under the FAA and in any case I had neither the CAA nor the FAA ask me if I had been a CFI. You instruct under your ATP on part 121, although this in my opinion should be revised because years ago you needed thousands of hours to fly for an airline. Now you just need VISA to buy your way in

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Part 121 training programs will still require that the instructors they utilize go through basically the same FOI that you did to get your CFI if they do not hold a CFI certifcate. They just won't end up with the actual certificate.

Once you reach the airline level, you are mostly dealing with people that know how to fly already. (Please note sarcasm in the word mostly ).

Sorry, I got distrcted by your avatar.

Say again

 

[Cardinal]

FWIW, an airman instructing using their ATP certificate is still limited by 30 in 7, etc, while a CFI is not.

 

[Guitar Guy]

The FARs also say someone can give instruction in relation to their ATP.....not sure on the exact wording.....but I think thats why.

From FAR 61.67, "Priveleges" (for Airline Transport Pilots):

(b) An airline transport pilot may instruct—

(1) Other pilots in air transportation service in aircraft of the category, class, and type, as applicable, for which the airline transport pilot is rated and endorse the logbook or other training record of the person to whom training has been given;

(2) In flight simulators, and flight training devices representing the aircraft referenced in paragraph (b)(1) of this section, when instructing under the provisions of this section and endorse the logbook or other training record of the person to whom training has been given;

 

[Big Slick]

A lot of those instructors are ex-military types. 99% of them were some type of flight instructor in the military.

If you have 2000 hours of instructor time in the F-16 or B-1 or C-5 or C-130 or T-38 or T-34 or F-18, getting a CFI would be kinda silly.

 

[Idiot Police]

A lot of those instructors are ex-military types. 99% of them were some type of flight instructor in the military.

If you have 2000 hours of instructor time in the F-16 or B-1 or C-5 or C-130 or T-38 or T-34 or F-18, getting a CFI would be kinda silly.

Why, then, do they have seem to have the toughest time with training?

 

[Jmoney]

Ground Instructors....

DAL uses people who have a ground instructor rating. This means they passed the CFI written. That's the only requirement to be an IGI or BGI. Many former gate or ramp agents became instructors at DAL.

What is really freaky is that a ground instructor is not even required to be a pilot-of any sot. You don't even have to be a private pilot. An IGI can sign off your sim work and never have touched the controls of any airplane at any point in his/her life.

-True Dat...

 

[Black Hawk]

If you have 2000 hours of instructor time in the F-16 or B-1 or C-5 or C-130 or T-38 or T-34 or F-18, getting a CFI would be kinda silly.

Unless you happen to like flying, teaching and helping new pilots get their wings. Then it makes perfect sense.