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Schiphol

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We'll see how this works our for AA and the rest of us.

American Airlines' pilots union seeks 53% pay raise

By TREBOR BANSTETTER
McClatchy Newspapers
Published on: 10/23/07
Fort Worth, Texas — American Airlines' pilots have asked for a hefty boost in pay and benefits, a proposal that analysts said would likely lead to long and arduous contract negotiations at the world's largest airline.
The proposal, presented to the airline Tuesday, requests a one-time raise that would restore pilot salaries to 1992 levels, when adjusted for inflation. If approved by May 2008, that would mean a raise of about 53 percent.
The union also asked for future annual raises of 6 percent and annual cost of living increases, and a signing bonus that totals 15 percent of a pilot's earnings between July 21, 2006, when talks began, and the effective date of the new contract.
Labor leaders said the proposal restores purchasing power that pilots have lost since 1992 to pay cuts and inflation. They point out that American's executives have enjoyed a substantial increase in pay in recent years while pilot earnings have fallen.
"Inflation has killed our purchasing power," said Karl Schricker, an American pilot and spokesman for the Allied Pilots Association, which represents the 12,000 pilots at the Fort Worth-based airline. "Senior management, meanwhile, has seen theirs go up over 500 percent."
Airline officials said they were reviewing the proposal. But they stressed that any significant increase in pay would likely hurt the company's competitive position.
"At first glance, it appears the items they've proposed would dramatically increase our pilot costs, which would make us even less competitive," spokeswoman Tami McLallen said. "And some of the things they've asked for are unprecedented."
The contract talks are being closely watched by the industry. American is the first major hub carrier to negotiate a new deal with pilots since the wave of bankruptcies and restructuring after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks that dramatically cut employee wages and benefits. Already struggling with the rapid rise in fuel prices, airlines are worried that steeper labor costs would jeopardize the industry's turnaround.
In 2003, when American was on the brink of bankruptcy, pilots approved concessions that slashed average pay by 23 percent, saving the airline about $660 million annually and allowing it to avoid a Chapter 11 filing. Since then, American has returned to profitability, with six straight profitable quarters.
So far this year, American has earned $573 million in profits. Union leaders argue that the financial turnaround means it's time for the airline to restore pilots' pay. And they say that their proposal would not significantly boost the airline's costs.
According to the union, the deal would increase the total cost of transporting one seat one mile by about a half-cent. That would be about a 4 percent increase, and would still give the airline lower costs than Continental Airlines, Delta Air Lines and US Airways.
"American has been able to absorb the cost of fuel and still earn millions in profits," Schricker said. "They could certainly absorb this modest increase."
McLallen said it was too early for the airline to provide a detailed analysis of the proposal's impact on costs.
 
InstructorDude- YGBSM....did you really just say that??????

Or are just looking to start a fight with some AA dude?
 
Instructordude has 525 posts, and yet still has 0 clues.
 
At least APA has the idea to ask for inflation adjust wages and compares their 1992 deflation to the 500% management increase.

APA also knows age 65 is a career killer for all those not getting the extra five year windfall.

If ALPA pays attention and starts asking for this type of restoration this profession would finely be restored.

However, I expect ALPA to pattern bargain down like a cheap Thai hooker for less than inflation.
 
InstructorDude- YGBSM....did you really just say that??????

Or are just looking to start a fight with some AA dude?

It is a legitimate question. How can they pay for it.

1) Give the earnings back to the employees and do away with the Senior Management bonuses.

Even if the company didn't give the senior managers their bonuses, would they still be able to give a raise like they are asking for? Anyone?

Just curious!
 
It is a legitimate question. How can they pay for it.

1) Give the earnings back to the employees and do away with the Senior Management bonuses.

Even if the company didn't give the senior managers their bonuses, would they still be able to give a raise like they are asking for? Anyone?

Just curious!

Well gee now, they could do what every other business in the world does when the cost of production goes up. And yes, they could certainly start the ball rolling by cutting down on those multi million dollar management bonuses.
 
Instructordude is not really a clueless tool. He is one of the finest (since I've been on this board) trollers we have. His trolls are just (barely) believable enough to get everyone's panties in a wad, but not believable enough to be taken seriously if you're paying attention.

The person behind Instructordude is an artist, and I for one appreciate his talent. It would be tough to keep up the stupid front as long as he has without cracking.
 
I wonder how the company can afford it?

The future generation of management's wet dream. A 'yes' man from top to bottom just so he can brag to his friends he flies big jets. Probably will marry a woman who will keep his balls in a jar.

You just don't get it junior, do you?
 
This is the cost of doing business with the APA and the pilots. Plan and simple.

Stand up for what you are WORTH!
 
It is a legitimate question. How can they pay for it.

1) Give the earnings back to the employees and do away with the Senior Management bonuses.

Even if the company didn't give the senior managers their bonuses, would they still be able to give a raise like they are asking for? Anyone?

Just curious!

How do they compensate for the price fluctuations in jet fuel? They are less then 50% hedged, so what happens when oil goes above $90 a barrel? Do they just shut down the airline?

They can easily afford it. From what I read, the raise would equate to less then 1/2 a penny to their seat per mile cost. (which is around 12.5 cents)
 
A couple quick facts:

-the company is making money...turned a profit the past 6 quarters despite fuel being up something like 250%
-the company has paid off $6 BILLION in debt and put another $3 BILLION in the bank that makes that cash balance about $6 BILLION
-this proposal raises the CASM by less than .5 cent keeping AA below US, CO, and DL
-the top 5 executives at AA have seen average raises of over 450% in the last 15 years
-Carpey has seen his average soar over 700%

The average pilot has seen his earnings fall 23 and 40+%, where has that money gone? To name a few:
-executive bonuses
-subsidize cheap fares, more room in coach, etc.
-subsidize the FA's contract


They CAN afford it!
 

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