ASA folks, what's the real story here?

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Jetliner returns to Midway after luggage falls out
The Associated Press

5:21 AM CDT, October 22, 2007

Several pieces of luggage are missing from a Delta Airlines flight that left Chicago's Midway Airport yesterday, and authorities say they apparently fell out somewhere over the Chicago area.

The Delta flight operated by Atlantic Southeast Airlines was forced to circle back to Midway shortly after takeoff because a cargo door was improperly secured and two bags fell out.

The Atlanta-bound flight, carrying 63 passengers, left Midway at 9:54 a.m. It made an emergency landing after the crew detected a cabin pressure problem.

After the plane landed, the crew determined that one of two cargo doors on the 70-seat regional jet had opened during the flight, allowing the bags to escape.

No one was hurt, and passengers were reassigned to another flight.

 

[ohplease!]

must have been due to those things from our "old" check list that we "magically" don't need to do/verify any more...

 

[Texx]

Jetliner returns to Midway after luggage falls out
The Associated Press

5:21 AM CDT, October 22, 2007

Several pieces of luggage are missing from a Delta Airlines flight that left Chicago's Midway Airport yesterday, and authorities say they apparently fell out somewhere over the Chicago area.

The Delta flight operated by Atlantic Southeast Airlines was forced to circle back to Midway shortly after takeoff because a cargo door was improperly secured and two bags fell out.

The Atlanta-bound flight, carrying 63 passengers, left Midway at 9:54 a.m. It made an emergency landing after the crew detected a cabin pressure problem.

After the plane landed, the crew determined that one of two cargo doors on the 70-seat regional jet had opened during the flight, allowing the bags to escape.

No one was hurt, and passengers were reassigned to another flight.

700, fwd cargo door indication deferred.

Not sure what the MEL says but if it's the same as the 200 must have ground people verify door closed and latch is stowed.

 

[John Pennekamp]

700, fwd cargo door indication deferred.

Not sure what the MEL says but if it's the same as the 200 must have ground people verify door closed and latch is stowed.

The FAA is going to love this one. How much you want to bet that the pilots get thrown under the bus?

 

[79%N1]

For what? Pilots don't close the cargo door. I'm sure they didn't take off with a door indication.

 

[buscap]

If it was a crewbag, I'm sure they'll be directed to finish the trip and wash their underwear in the sink!!!

 

[asa rat]

Jetliner returns to Midway after luggage falls out
The Associated Press

5:21 AM CDT, October 22, 2007



The Delta flight operated by Atlantic Southeast Airlines was forced to circle back to Midway shortly after takeoff because a cargo door was improperly secured and two bags fell out.

Only two bags this time? We must be improving... last time we rained bags over south Georgia with a Brasilia....

 

[pbruk]

Maybe the bags didn't like the service and opened the door themselves.

 

[BUDDHA145]

and I thought that getting hit by hail will give me a HEADACHE!!!!

 

[RadioClash]

There was also the ASA E110 aka The Bandit, that dropped bags over Grapevine, TX years ago taking off from DFW.

 

[OCP]

For what? Pilots don't close the cargo door. I'm sure they didn't take off with a door indication.

If they pull the tapes and don't hear the Capt. telling the ground crew to verify that the door is closed and latched, they may have a case.

 

[Bako Cap]

He/she might have told them outside of the cockpit. I like to get all MEL verbal restriction on the CVR for CYA purposes.

 

[Speedtape]

He/she might have told them outside of the cockpit. I like to get all MEL verbal restriction on the CVR for CYA purposes.

Yes, Yes! Great minds do think alike! Always use the CVR to your advantage. That is a great reason to make sure that the tug driver is using a headset. Otherwise, you have to have conversation with yourself and make sure when you say, "Is the cargo door confirmed closed and the handle flush?" you get a response from someone of at least, "Roger, Dat!"

 

[Kharma Police]

The FAA is going to love this one. How much you want to bet that the pilots get thrown under the bus?

Still no ASAP at ASA?

 

[BCpilot81]

That is just our way to front door deliver our already late delta bags. This way thet dont have to pay a courier.

 

[Texx]

If they pull the tapes and don't hear the Capt. telling the ground crew to verify that the door is closed and latched, they may have a case.

No they don't. Nothing in the MEL states that the conversation must be on the tape. What if the crew talked to the rampers on the preflight.

 

[boknowsASA]

This is the deal:

The door indicator for the Fwd Cargo was Def. so the MEL says you must visually confirm the door is closed. The Capt. Went out there and did confirm the door was closed. How ever the Comair rampers did not lock up the cargo nets in the Fwd Cargo. After takeoff the door opened do to a differnt failure of the door. A couple bags were lost but if the nets had been put up this would have been a non event.

I only know all this because I was up here at MDW.

 

[regionaltard]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that there is no single failure that could result in a properly secured forward cargo door opening in flight. It is possible for the handle to appear to be properly stowed with the upper side of the door more-or-less flush against the fuselage and the lower side unsecured. That particular MEL puts the safety of the operation in the hands of a ramper who may or may not be paying attention. Best to go down and see it with your own eyes I think.

 

[joe_pilot]

He/she might have told them outside of the cockpit. I like to get all MEL verbal restriction on the CVR for CYA purposes.

Thanks Bako. That's a great idea. I just learned something.

So glad FI isn't ALL BS.

I hope this works out ok for the crew.

-JP

 

[joe_pilot]

No they don't. Nothing in the MEL states that the conversation must be on the tape. What if the crew talked to the rampers on the preflight.

Agreed. I still like the idea of discussing that on the CVR for CYA. Thoughts?